AHC: Form alternate/new ethnic groups of the world

[Albert.Nik]

Caucasian Indus Valley peoples: in OTL,the advanced IVC perished early and all the language and culture is more or less lost. In this timeline,people from Caucasus,Northern Iran,Anatolia and the Steppe join IVC and take its culture as theirs henceforth. More cities like the IVC are built,more farms are irrigated and the huge civilization spans from Anatolia to Haryana. The people who migrated from the neighbouring Caucasus and Anatolia have flourished and settled as the new IVC peoples over large numbers. Now all IVC people are almost indistinguishable and united. This forms an advanced superpower later.
Language: IVC language(unknown and extinct in OTL now),Caucasian and IE languages all over. Minority Dravidian as Second languages.
Religion: Buddhist Monotheism in IVC language mostly.
Appearance: Mostly like Anatolians and Caucasian peoples of today and many look European.
Range of population: Huge parts of Asia virtually indescribable here.

 

[Albert.Nik]

Indo-Zoroastrians: Persians under Darius 1 or Cyrus or even later Parthian Empire expand/infiltrate into India and establish strong colonies there. By the modern era,Indo-Parthians are around 40-50 percent of India or even more. All look OTL Iranian. The Hunnic invasions and the Turkic expansions are held back so Tocharians,Scythians,Pamiris,etc still exist in India. Zoroastrianism is a bit more universal in this timeline.
Religion: Zoroastrianism almost half with others Hindu,Shaman,Buddhist and a smaller minority Nestorian and St Thomas Christian but some convert in the British era to Catholic and Protestant.
Appearence: Majority look like Iranians of the modern day and a large minority looks European(Scythian and Tocharian mixed).
Languages: Significant and almost majority population speaks Western Iranian languages. Others speak Kuchen(Tocharian B),Scythian,Gandhari,Nuristani,Greek in large numbers. English becomes link language in the Modern era.
Region: All over in India. Range of 65%-90% in colonies established historically by the Persian empires but present in good numbers in bigger cities.
Occupations: Business,Priests(Hindu and Zoroastrian),Scribes and Scientists.

 

[Neoteros]

Zabuli

Language: Zabuli - basically Pashto, except with Punjabi and Sindhi taking the place of Arabic and Persian as its main foreign influences, and with a Brahmic-influenced version of the old Pahlavi script taking the place of the Arabic-descended abugida of OTL.

Ancestry: 2/4 Pashtun, 2/4 Punjabi.

Religion: Zunism. One of the rulers of the Zunbil dynasty, Jimofuta the Great, was able to repel the Abbasid invasion of Afghanistan; his son, Barha, built an empire stretching from Nishapur to Multan. This "Empire of the Sun" would fill a niche similar to that of the Sikh Empire in OTL: short-lived, but influential; the Zunist faith, previously just a solar cult whose adherents belonged only to the ruling dynasty, soon found many converts, drawn to it by the legend and might of Jimofuta and Barha. The faith of the Zabuli today is, again, quite similar to that of the Sikhs in OTL: a monotheistic faith halfway between Hinduism and Zoroastrianism, with the god Zun, the Giver of Justice, having several characteristics in common with both Ahura Mazda and Surya. Even though the Zunist faith is quite tolerant, due to its origins in the cosmopolitan atmosphere of ancient central Asia, the practice of close relative polygamy between the descendants of the original Zunbil dynasty is quite controversial in the modern day, to say the least.

Culture: quite different from that of the Pashtuns from which they originate, due to the aforementioned Hinduist and Zoroastrian influences and a focus on urban rather than tribal life.

 

[Arkenfolm]

This group is from my personal setting, but it's possible that any serious change in northern European history could lead to a similar group emerging.

Valskar people (Ferapak)
Language: Valskar/Ferapak language--the last surviving Continental Celtic language
Ancestry: Uberaci, Raetians, and other Continental Celts, some Italian, Germanic, and Slavic influence
Religion: Folk Christianity
Culture: Alpine European
Region: Carinithia, Austria

The Valskar people were a small ethnic group in the Almanian Empire (specifically the Kingdom of Austria) who traced descent from the Uberaci, Norici, and other Alpine Celtic peoples of Antiquity. While many were assimilated into the Germanic tribes, a small minority persisted in the mountains, following the teachings of local controversial monks who were condemned as heretics by the mainstream church. This folk Christianity in Carinthia helped preserve the local traditions and would later lead to the emergence of the Valskar ethnic group.

Traditionally, the Valskars called themselves by the valleys they lived in and had no name for their ethnic group as a whole, with "Valskar" as an exonym [cognate with "Welsh", "Vlach", etc.]. In the 19th century, local movements created the term "Ferapak" as a modernised form of "Uberaci", the Roman name for the people considered their ancestors. As a small numbered people, their influence was small, but the Valskars exerted a major influence on the Austrian state in its last days before it was conquered into Almain proper. Austrian nationalists used them as evidence their country was not truly Germanic, but a continuation of Roman Noricum. In the modern era, the Valskars have managed to preserve much of their language and culture, and their valleys are a popular rustic tourist attraction.

 

[Albert.Nik]

Aryavartians: Proto-Indo-Iranians are more united and Organized and hence prosper in huge numbers without the Indo-Aryans separating and mixing up during the Upheavel. So Aryaland or Aryavart begins from the Transoxania in the North and Kurdistan in the West and extends till Vindhyas in the South first and after a successful prospering and establishment of colonies,upto Sri Lanka. Eventually Tocharians join but still retain their language.
Appearance: European with more unique and exotic features
Language: Classical Proto-Indo-Iranian,Tocharian,Pamiri,Hurrian,Burusho and Dravidian.
Religion: Indo-European base religion and a mix of Buddhism and Monotheism.
Extent: Huge parts of Asia and diaspora elsewhere too.

 

[Albert.Nik]

Tocharianopolitans: Tocharians establish huge Egypt like advanced Civilization starting from City states in the Tarim Basin and then expand into the Green surrounding regions and colonize them and assimilate smaller tribes.
Language: Classical Tocharian
Ancestry: Indo-European(mostly R1b)
Region: Tarim Basin,Pamir Knot,Parts of Afghanistan,Pakistan and India,East China,large parts of Steppes.
Appearance: Celtic and Nordic
Religion: Tocharian Zen Buddhism

 

[Albert.Nik]

Indo-Italic peoples: Romans colonize Indian subcontinent and large colonies are settled. An oriental Roman Empire is formed eventually. Another Rome is built in a suitable location.
Language: Classical Latin/Lingua Latina,Greek as a first language.
Appearance: Central Italian
Population spread: 40-75% of Indian subcontinent
Religion: Roman Buddhism mixed with Roman classical Religion.

 

[Albert.Nik]

Latins of the Americas: Humans migrate as early to Americas as possible to allow evolutionary changes to take place. In a region in America similar to the Black Sea somewhat(Near the Pacific Northwest),Indo-Europeans evolve there too. Eventually one group reaches the Mediterranean California and starts an Empire. It stretches large and into America till Texas and parts of Mexico on the other side. Celtic peoples live there and come into the Empire. Germanic people in this TL live near Wyoming and they too enter the Empire and join. It's a happy and a successful Roman Empire in the America!
Language: Classical Latin,Gothic,English,Greek,Gaulish,American language Isolates like Basque.
Religion: Romanic spiritualist Religion
Appearence: European
Ancestry: Hypothetically evolved Indo-Europeans.

 

[Byzantion]

Habesha-Italics. Italian origin Ethiopians and Eritreans who keep some sort of Italian language as second language. Religion: Roman Catholic Ancestry: Italian Culture: Habesha

 

[Albert.Nik]

Latins of the Americas would be a very interesting timeline! I will make a timeline on the same in an another thread!

 

[SpaceRome]

Yevanim: aramized/hebraized greeks, macedonians and dacians. The PoD is very early, maybe starting at the rise of the neo-assyrians. The assyrians conquer the area and settle different Aramaic and Hebrew speaking peoples there. Yevanic groups Occupy most of the eastern balkans and all of asia minor.
Language: Yevannoi, a north semitic language. Has many loanwords from Hellenic/Thracian languages.
Ancestry: 1/3 Greek, 1/3 North semitic, 1/3 Thracian (picture modern day Palestinians or Syrians)
Religion: A hybrid of greek and levantine mythologies, and a quasi-monotheism which places the El as the highest, absolute god, and has all other gods take a subordinate role to him. The role of El differs based on the local preference, with areas closer to the levant demanding him/her to be revered as the only god, almost exactly like their jewish brothers to the south.
Culture: A blending of greek, Thracian and Semitic cultures. Art depicting human figures in the greek mold is very common, and architecture tends to follow Greek principles, but Cuisine is much more levantine and most of the religious celebrations are decisively Semitic.

 

[Albert.Nik]

@SpaceRome No Anatolian mix?

 

[Ricard (i.e. Rdffigueira)]

Anhlyiskans

Language: An English derivative with strong Slavic influences
Ancestry: English people that fled William the Conqueror to create a New England on the Crimean peninsula
Religion: Catholicism with Eastern Orthodox and a very small amount of Dvoeverie influences
Culture: Attempts to maintain traditional English culture has given way as some Anhlyiskans have married into Slavic families. Given that they started from a couple of ports spread throughout the Black Sea they have a heavy focus on naval and military service.
Space: Southern Crimea and a few ports around the Black Sea.

I need more of this, really. Nova Anglia is too awesome to not exist in an alternate universe somewhere.

 

[Arkenfolm]

Closer to the Finnish Vinlanders, these people are more plausible in OTL, but they also exist in my setting, and I'm presenting them from that viewpoint.

Cumbrian people (Cymfry)
Language: Cumbrian--related yet distinct from Welsh proper
Ancestry: Carvetii, Novantae, Selgovae, Damnonii, and other ancient Celtic tribes, some influence from Gaels, Picts, and other peoples
Religion: Christianity
Culture: British
Region: Cumberland (divided between Britain and Scotland)

The Cumbrians are a Celtic ethnic group native to Cumberland, a divided region between northwestern England and southwestern Scotland. Although most spoke English and were assimilated to Anglo culture, the Cumbrian identity remained prominent as much as the Irish or Welsh identities, and the Cumbrian language persisted into the present day. Despite the division of Cumberland between the Communist Republic of Britain and the more moderate Republic of Scotland, each side acknowledged the Cumbrian identity's regional importance and gave them some manner of autonomy. In Britain, the Autonomous County of Cumbria contained the Cumbrian people, while in Scotland, the Region of Cumberland was always one of the three components of Scotland (along with the Lowlands and the Highlands) and had its own identity. They were most closely related to the Welsh people, yet their history diverged from them at the end of the first millennium.

Historically, the Cumbrians were a Britonnic people who had their own kingdoms in the "Dark Ages" and persisted against both Gaelic and Anglo-Saxon forces until the fall of Strathclyde to the Scots in the 13th century. Local autonomy and other factors kept Cumbric traditions alive during the lengthy period of Scottish, and then English domination.

While Glasgow (Cumbric: Glasku) was the traditional capital of Cumbria since the late Middle Ages, migration to the city helped dilute the Cumbric identity. Indeed, it was mainly a rural identity since the late 18th century, even though by the 20th century millions of people of Cumbric descent lived in the New World. Cumbrians played an important role in the British Empire until it's fall in the Great War. The Cumbrian national drink fwisgi (Anglicised "wisky" to distinguish it from Irish and Scotch liquors of similar names) was internationally famous and promoted by the Scottish government for tourism purposes. A few distilleries existed in communist Britain as well.

"Wallis" or "Wallace" was the most common surname amongst Cumbrians globally, cognate with "Welsh" or "Vlach".

 

[jocay]

Honuwians (Honuiwi)

Language: Honuiwian [Polynesian language in Galapagos] and Spanish.

Ancestry: It is theorized that the ancestors of the Polynesians who colonized Honuiwi either came from the from central/eastern Polynesian archipelagos, such as the Society Islands or the Marquesas around the eleventh century. They would later interact with Spanish, Filipinos and mainland South Americans.

Religion: Catholicism

Culture: Honuiwi culture is at its core Polynesian but over the centuries has been influenced to a noticeable degree by Spanish, Filipino and South American cultures. 19th century immigration from Peru and Gran Colombia had introduced various cuisines popular in Honuiwi like ceviche.

Region: Honuiwi [Galapagos]

The Honuiwi are a Polynesian ethnic group native to Honuiwi, an overseas autonomous community of Spain. Despite centuries of Spanish rule and government policies forcing assimilation of the Honuiwi, the Honuiwi remain proud of their language and heritage. There have been recent measures made by Honuiwi's government to reverse this, slowly discouraging the use of Spanish outside of government purposes to highlight the island's Polynesian heritage. Most are bilingual.

 

[SpaceRome]

@SpaceRome No Anatolian mix?

The anatolians (or rather, the neo-Hittite empire that arose instead of the small states of OTL) had the misfortune of being the rivals of the assyrians... then losing to them. Anatolian languages are even more extinct than OTL, as assyrian forces burned every written text in the cities they captured.

 

[twovultures]

Nguni

Language: Standardized Nguni (also known as Mission Nguni), Portuguese
Ancestry: Formed during the "Ukuqokelela" or "Gathering", when the Xhosa kingdom began the conquest of their Zulu and other neighbors ostensibly as a crusade to spread Catholicism, introduced by Cape Portuguese Jesuit missionaries.
Religion: Catholic with animist influences. While circumcision has been abandoned, saint's festivals are still held at sites once deemed sacred by the pre-Christian religions of the constituent Nguni tribes.
Culture: Divided between "hidalgos" drawn from the ranks of the Xhosa elite and "commoners" who traditionally work the lands controlled by the hidalgos. They speak a language born from the Jesuit missions of colonial Africa do Sul which was created to be easily understood by all the Nguni peoples. Increasingly urbanized, especially as factories and industry spread eastward in Portuguese Africa, but traditionally an agricultural, farming-based society.
Politics: Once instrumental in the "Confederacy Wars" which united Portuguese South Africa from Mozambique to Angola, the Nguni typically temper their support for the Union with a belief in regional autonomy and typically vote (or protest) for whichever party is more likely to promote federalization as opposed to centralization. There is very little support for secession, however, particularly as remittences from other parts Portuguese South Africa are an important part of the Nguni economy.
Space: Confederação da África do Sul, particularly the south-eastern states including Santiago do Oriente and kwaZulu.

 

[cmakk1012]

Anglais
Language: Anglais, the standardized dialect of Anglo-Norman created in the 19th century
Ancestry: Anglo-Saxon and Norman inhabitants of Britain. Following the decisive English victory in the Seventy Years’ War and the establishment of the Dual Monarchy of England-France, French culture and language remained dominant on the island.
Culture: A blend of English and French culture.
Space: Britain up to Scotland, some settler communities in the Nouvelle-Monde

 

[P L Richards]

Udians

Location The Republic of Udistan (also known as Udia) in the East-Central Southern Caucasus, between Georgia and Armenia on the west and south, and the Azeri Reublic on the east (which cuts it off fom the Caspian Sea)
Language Udi, a NE Caucasian language strongly influenced by Persian and Turkic languages, and by Armenian. However recent influence from Russian is largely superficial. Udi has its own distinctive alphabet, according to tradition and legend originally devised by the Armenian St Mesrop, though extensively revised. There is a large minority who speak Udic Tatar (as Azeri is called here), and in the north many small Caucasian languages are spoken, among which Udi serves as a Lingua Franca.
Religion Christian. The Udian Apostolic Church is a miaphysite Eastern Orthodox Church in close communion with the Armenian Apostolic Church. There is also a large Shiite Moslem minority, particularly among the Udic Tatars.
Culture Typically Caucasian Christian, but the folk culture has many elements apparently strongly influened by Zoroastrianism.
The Udians dispute with the Georgians the honour of being the first people in antiquity to discover how to make wine from grapes.
In ancient times the Udians were called Caucasian Albanians. In spite of many vicissictudes and discontinuities they are direcctly descended from the Kingdom of Caucasian Albania.
Miscellaneous The capital of Udistan is the city of Gandzha, but the seat of the Catholicos-Patriarch of the church is at Nizh.

 

[Ricard (i.e. Rdffigueira)]

Inspired by my own TL, where we have a more successful and longer-lived Crusader State in the Levant, we could have:

Latins of the Outremer, Latin-Levantines (also "Oriental-Frankish" or Outremerine)

Language: Latin remains used as an official administrative, legal, scientific and liturgical language, but outside this we see a combination of various fictional dialects mostly amalgamated from Occitanian, Norman French and Lombard Italian languages, with significant Syriac, Arabic, Greek and Coptic influences depending on the region.
Ancestry: European immigration to the Levant during the Crusader Era, with the establishment of a "Frankish" elite over the indigenous Levantine, Syrian and Arabic peoples of the Near East.
Religion: Roman Catholic. The Crusader society is stratified along feudal, economic and religious differentiation, especially due to the contrast between the largely urbanized noble elites and the impoverished peasantry.
Culture: Cosmopolitan, with pronounced western Mediterreanean (notably Occitan and Lombard-Italian) and Francophone elements, but with significant infusion of "Byzantine" and Levantine habits, notably in fashion, cuisine, arts and architecture. Over the course of centuries, many foreign influxes will shape the Crusader State, whose flavor becomes increasingly "orientalized" in comparison to the developments in Europe, but the Frankish nobility and burghers consistently prefer to emulate the manners and dressing of the "Byzantine" elite.