AHC: Find a way to make bayonets useful in modern combat

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Your goal is to make bayonets useful and widespread in modern combat. Go.
 
Easy. They are useful and in widespread use in modern combat in @. British soldiers have used them in both Iraq and Afghanistan on a number of ocasions.
 

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Easy. We used them in Iraq. While in Fallujah my CO actually ordered "Fix Bayonets." (And yes, he used that exact phrase, he was kind of a history buff.)
 
Have a war that sees a lot of close range infantry engagement with wide-spread use of body armor. Alternately let's suppose an urban pacification scenario where where shooting into crowds is frowned upon and the ROE limits the use of air or artillery strikes.

In other words, a scenario much like the Israelis in Lebanon or Coalition forces in Iraq.
 
Most of them can already be used as wirecutters and bottleopeners, so they already seem well-adapted to the needs of soldiers...

... seriously, though, they already are. You probably wouldn't fix bayonets during WW3 in Europe, in the six weeks of high intensity air-land battle before the nukes fly. In many other situations, however, they have a place. Example: peacekeeping (subtype: facing down an unruly crowd). There's no obvious external difference between a loaded rifle and one that's just being carried, so unless you're actually pointing guns at them nobody will know you're serious. Fixing bayonets, on the other hand, is visible, and sends an important psychological signal that you're ready to get personally involved in the situation, while at the same time not being immediately and directly threatening (unlike pointing guns at people). Don't underestimate the value of that sort of thing.
 
Close Quarters fighting still happens they have been used in Iraq.
Development of a ballistic body that is vulnerable to stabbing attacks could make close Quarters combat more common
 

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Easy. They are useful and in widespread use in modern combat in @. British soldiers have used them in both Iraq and Afghanistan on a number of ocasions.

I only remember one occassion when they did a bayonet charge but no where else.

Is there a way to make bayonets standard issue?
 
The Marines still use them at times such as in house to house fighting in Fallujah in 2004.

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Bayonet are standard issue in a lot of army, maybe all.
Clearly training with them is no longer a priority but it still exist to create some "warrior spirit".
In my case bayonet training was combined with hand to hand training.

And remember, if you stick your enemy to a wall...:
 

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Depends what service you're in. The Marine Corps still issues them and trains with them. I've heard though that the Army no longer conducts bayonet drill, not sure if they've stopped issuing them

Are they heavily used in modern combat?
 
Easy. They are useful and in widespread use in modern combat in @. British soldiers have used them in both Iraq and Afghanistan on a number of ocasions.

They are not in “widespread use” by any definition of the term. They’ve seen action in a handful of engagements out of tens of thousands of total engagements.
 

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They are not in “widespread use” by any definition of the term. They’ve seen action in a handful of engagements out of tens of thousands of total engagements.

Can you find a way to make them more widespread.
 
Can you find a way to make them more widespread.

Never have intermediate caliber weapons invented? If everyone is armed with a battle rifle firing a full sized rifle cartridge, weapons will be longer and less wieldy for shooting in close combat, means CQC is still dominated by bayonets, pistols, and SMG’s, rather than carbine-length rifles firing low recoil cartridges.
 
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