With a POD after 1903, how could we end up with an outcome where the Filipinos really hate America, like "Arab street" level hate?
Don't forget the fact that Imperial Japan, not having ravaged the Philippines in said a scenario, might be more appealing to Filipinos. Japanese Pan-Asianism in said world might be very appealing to Asians who need an anti-colonial role model.In taking away the Pacific War, really no WWII, I plumb these depths where the Philippines gains independence under a reluctant USA sometime from the late-1940s to when? Here you have not even the potential goodwill of an American war effort to liberate the Philippines, instead a lingering anger over the SAW, the Moros, haphazard administration and likely benign neglect. Here the situation is likely the limbo Puerto Rico still hangs under, or the erosion of relations seen in Panama, the USA often fails to live up to its promises, abide by its ideals or accomplish true nation building despite our best intentions. Perhaps it is that hypocrisy and disappointing reality of actions versus words that would fuel genuine hate once we depart and leave no tangibly awesome legacy.
Don't forget the fact that Imperial Japan, not having ravaged the Philippines in said a scenario, might be more appealing to Filipinos. Japanese Pan-Asianism in said world might be very appealing to Asians who need an anti-colonial role model.
Don't forget the fact that Imperial Japan, not having ravaged the Philippines in said a scenario, might be more appealing to Filipinos. Japanese Pan-Asianism in said world might be very appealing to Asians who need an anti-colonial role model.
Especially if Japan manages to avoid radical militarism with Taisho Democracy limping along during the Great Depression.Indeed
In taking away the Pacific War, really no WWII, I plumb these depths where the Philippines gains independence under a reluctant USA sometime from the late-1940s to when?
Here you have not even the potential goodwill of an American war effort to liberate the Philippines, instead a lingering anger over the SAW, the Moros, haphazard administration and likely benign neglect.
Could not the Pacific War have cut both ways though? The Pacific War did not make Indochinese, Burmans, Malays, Malayan Chinese or Indonesians like the French, British or Dutch any better.
One huge justification for imperialism is "protection" from third-party menace, authentic or not. By that measure U.S. colonialism in the Philippines was a massive fail.
Could we imagine the Filipinos being really pissed off at America for a) backing Japan into a fight and making the PI its front line, b) then failing to protect the islands from Japanese occupation and then (c) wrecking a lot of the place during the liberation?
I would put this more into ambition with the Arabs. US interfered with Arab affairs. IMO, Arab nations think they are still peer in terms of power with the US that you just cannot interfere with what they do as Nation but have no actual power to counter the USA. The Arabs also have a history of ruling the world, older culture than the USA, The Filipinos don't have a history of becoming a great/superpower nor is older than the USA nor Filipinos have any grand ambitions to challenge the USA, or regional supremacy like some Arab nations which USA interfered.
I think that is what you need to change, the outlook/culture of the Filipinos of OTL and change it into how certain Arab nations think. But that requires a PoD far longer than the 1900.
The anger and envy of the "has been" a power is perhaps always greater than the anger and envy of the "never was" a power.
A comparison would be how Koreans, Chinese "hate" the Japanese but Filipinos do not even if Filipinos were also abused by the Japanese in WW2.
Even if you somehow neglected the Filipinos as a US colony, all would have done is hastened independence. Arab street level hate would have existed if US neglected the Philippines as a colony during colonial period, but after that, I doubt majority of the Filipinos would still put effort on the street on USA after independence.
IMO, Arab nations think they are still peer in terms of power with the US that you just cannot interfere with what they do as Nation but have no actual power to counter the USA. The Arabs also have a history of ruling the world, older culture than the USA
Even OTL WW2, USA was the one who flattened Manila not the Japanese although with valid reason. Yet, no one really minded after a few years of flattening Manila.
In agreement I do think that Americans overstate our role in "saving" or liberating others, in our eyes we see ingratitude for all our efforts while I think if we dig deeper into the American-Filipino relationship there is some deep seats anger over how our protection failed them. Reading War Plan Orange and the underlying dialogue one sees that the USA was not fully committed to defending the Philippines, in many ways the place just wasn't "worth" it. Under a different President, without other pressures globally, I could see the USA abandoning the Philippines to "independence" and simply walking away. We had too much benign neglect and sloppy paternalism towards the Philippines. In a decade after the USA pulls back I can foresee the Japanese exploiting the discontent, not that it necessarily offers a better outcome.