AHC: Fascist/Communist America and Fascist/Communist Britain

Since I'm bored...
The challenge is to create any of the following four scenarios, in the aftermath of ATL WWI:

1. Fascist Britain (British Fascist Empire) and Fascist USA (Fascist States of America)
2. Fascist Britain (British Fascist Empire) and Communist USA (Communist States of America)
3. Communist Britain (Union of British Socialist Republics) and Fascist USA (Fascist States of America)
4. Communist Britain (Union of British Socialist Republics) and Communist USA (Communist States of America)

(these aren't impossible, are they?)
 
First, no nation put fascist in their names.

Fascist British Empire would be "the Imperial Federation" or something like that.

Fascist America... How about "the United States of the American Nation"?
 
First, no nation put fascist in their names.

Fascist British Empire would be "the Imperial Federation" or something like that.

Fascist America... How about "the United States of the American Nation"?
No Fascist America would ever change its name. The USA would be the name.
 
Both Britain and the USA would retain their names if they went Fascist, in fact I would expect American Fascism to try very hard to appear as if nothing had changed and the Constitution was still force.
 

Wolfpaw

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Both Britain and the USA would retain their names if they went Fascist, in fact I would expect American Fascism to try very hard to appear as if nothing had changed and the Constitution was still force.
I could see a fascist Britain changing its name if it became anti-monarchical, though I doubt that it would turn against the crown in any but the most extreme circumstances.

I could see Britain going fascist if it lost WWI. There's bound to be a shitload of anti-Establishment, anti-liberal hypernationalism in the post-War environment. Both sides of the spectrum would increasingly radicalize until the Tories threw in their support for a National Government with the Brownshirts/Khakishirts.
 
Both Britain and the USA would retain their names if they went Fascist, in fact I would expect American Fascism to try very hard to appear as if nothing had changed and the Constitution was still force.
In fact I think we'd have something similar in Britain. A Fascist Government in Britain wouldn't market itself as an anti-democratic force as blatantly as Fascists on the Continent did - instead we'd have a National Government of 'sound chaps' taking emergency powers 'for the duration of the current crisis'.
 
Britain has always had a strong working class movement but the US would have to suffer through some major changes for any strong and organised working class movement to strike up because I don't think the great depression on its own would be enough. Fascism, on the other hand, becomes a possibility every time capitalism is in crisis; reactionary forces in the post-WW1 atmosphere are very much a possibility.
 
In fact I think we'd have something similar in Britain. A Fascist Government in Britain wouldn't market itself as an anti-democratic force as blatantly as Fascists on the Continent did - instead we'd have a National Government of 'sound chaps' taking emergency powers 'for the duration of the current crisis'.

Oh absolutely but you might get a name change, for example United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland>Imperial Federation if they can get Canada or Australia on board etc. The USA isn't going to change it's name no matter what.
 
Fascist/Communist America

Since I'm bored...<br />
The challenge is to create any of the following four scenarios, in the aftermath of ATL WWI:<br />
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<b>1.</b> Fascist Britain <i>(British Fascist Empire)</i> and Fascist USA <i>(Fascist States of America)</i><br />
<b>2.</b> Fascist Britain <i>(British Fascist Empire)</i> and Communist USA <i>(Communist States of America)</i><br />
<b>3.</b> Communist Britain <i>(Union of British Socialist Republics)</i> and Fascist USA <i>(Fascist States of America)</i><br />
<b>4.</b> Communist Britain <i>(Union of British Socialist Republics)</i> and Communist USA <i>(Communist States of America)</i><br />
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(these aren't impossible, are they?)
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Fascist or Communist USA (fascist is easier IMHO):

POD - Giuseppe Zangara aims better, and kills President-elect Franklin Roosevelt.

Narrative: John Nance Garner becomes President in March 1933. Garner was an elderly conservative, had no experience in executive office, and lacked the charisma and imagination of FDR. OTL, FDR stabilized the economy with his emergency measures in 1933-1934 - the bank holiday, the creation of the FDIC, the CCC, PWA, and CWA to reduce unemployment, the AAA to prop up farm prices. Much of this was enacted by Congress which met in

ATL, Garner did very little. By late 1933, the economic crisis was approaching complete collapse. Food riots broke out in many places; and for the first time, radical Socialist and Communist agitators found substantial support.

Take it from there.

1) Red violence provokes a fascist reaction backed by a cabal of tycoons and reactionaries. Garner becomes the puppet of this cabal. He declares martial law, and deputizes the American Guard to keep order. Bloody street battles between the Guard (backed by the Army) and various Reds follow; thousands of liberals and other dissenters are arrested. By 1936 the country is a de facto dictatorship. Garner, old and exhausted, steps aside for the cabal's leader, Joe Kennedy.

The old party labels have been largely superseded. The Guardist Party has majorities in both houses of Congress, and enacts "emergency legislation" which formalizes a one-party state. Two SCotUS Justices retire; the Guardists add and fill six seats, giving them an 8-7 majority which upholds all Guardist legislation.

In 1938 the Guardists hold a Constitutional Convention per Article V. The new Constitution is ratified by national referendum.

2) Garner's ham-handed repression of Red violence and the desperate actions of starving and homeless people provoke widespread resentment and discredit the government. In early 1934, mass marches organized by Reds seize state capitals in California, Washington, Idaho, Colorado, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Rhode Island, and New Jersey, and establish "people's governments" which confiscate wealth and distribute food. Garner's orders to the Army to restore order are ignored by most of the troops, which desert or join the People's Militia. Soon after the People's Militia occupies Washington.
 
You know, we do have Reds! for a Communist America. Just something to keep in mind in regards to how this will play out, to say the least.
 
How will the Fascist/Communist America and Britain affect WWII, anyway?

And for the names, I don't really care (names in the OP aren't meant to be serious ones, of course)...so whatever sounds the best for you guys.

Also, bump.
 
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