When is the earliest a German-Ottoman alliance could be founded ever?
When is the earliest a German-Ottoman alliance could be founded ever? And at what points could it have happened?
I'm most interested to see if there was a possibility for an alliance at the time of Otto Von Bismark, and Abdul Hamid II's reign.
Post-Spanish War of Succession it is possible. First alliance in war could be the Austrian War of Succession when both can gobble up against Austria.
wayback machine baby - I like it.
Maybe I should have given the Ottomans a piece of Hungary or Croatia in my Habsburgs get curb stomped in the War of Austrian Succession map
See map: https://i.imgur.com/Z6zd3NJ.jpg
(unfortunately it is so big I cannot attach it, only link it)
In it, I only gave slices of the Austrian domains to France, Savoy, Prussia, Saxony and Bavaria, leaving all of Hungary-Croatia to Queen Maria Teresa. Maybe I should have made the Ottomans the 6th assailant and had them take something too.
(BTW, why didn't the Ottomans participate in the War of Austrian Succession, presumably on the Franco-Prussian side, in OTL?)
The 1700s - Frederick the Great circa 1786-1789 threatened the Austrians with war if the Austrians did not end the war against the Ottomans and retreat from Ottoman territory.
What if the Austrians keep at it, assuming that Prussia is bluffing, and figuring they can't lose because they have Russia on their side?
And then the Prussians turn out not to be bluffing and attack Austria.
Aside from creating an early Prusso-Ottoman alliance, I would say that this creates big butterflies for the initial French Revolutionary Wars.
-Now if Prussia is not an acceptable substitute for "Germany" in your view, and you only mean the second Reich, then any point after 1871 is feasible.
For instance, Bismarck diplomatically engages with the Ottomans to create a "4 Emperors League" with Austria-Hungary, Russia and the Ottoman Empire.
In the early 1870s, Russia may not refuse this point blank, as it got dragged into its war with Turkey later in the decade by events, rather than premeditating and arranging them.
Another option could be to set up the alliance with the Ottomans as early 1879, right after setting up the alliance with Austria-Hungary. If the Austro-Hungarians and Ottomans can agree to not mess with the Bosnian status quo (de facto Austrian control, de jure Ottoman sovereignty) the Ottomans becoming the third member of the Triple Alliance before the Italians might happen. Both the Ottomans and Austrians probably consider the Russians enough of a potential threat to bury the hatchet.