AHC: Earliest possible slavery based U.S. Civil War

samcster94

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The U.S. Civil War realistically could have happened at least a decade if not more earlier. What can be done to make it happen earlier than OTL. Bonus points if the North secedes in some fashion.
 
(ATL) Q Adams wins reelection in 1828 (no Jackson) and the tariff driven 'nullification crisis' plays out between the 'fire eater' Calhoun and the Yankee Q Adams, resulting in civil war (in 1830) over tariff not slavery.

(OTL) I always felt John C. Calhoun couldn't find the Southern support he needed for his South Carolinian tariff revolt because he was trying to build it against a slave owning Tennessee boy, Andrew Jackson. I believe the Southern gentry saw the dispute as a 'gentleman's argument' (a personal duel) between Jackson and Calhoun and not as a sectional crisis.

(ATL) Had there instead, at the time, been a sitting Yankee president I believe the South would have rallied to Calhoun's cause. It would have opened the door for Calhoun's Solid South to form (sooner) and the Civil War to come 30 years earlier.

Damn I am sorry I read the post but missed the "slavery based' qualification in the subject title.
 
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To get to a 1850 civil war the transcendentalists would have had to convince the northern populace that abolition and not free soil was the only answer to the 'expansion of slavery' problem. So long as there was a moderate alternative (preservation with out expansion) the North would continue to seek compromise on the issue until the South chose to quit the Union.

I believe northern racism was too strong for the abolitionists to move the North to where it wanted it to be, needed it to be for your ATL to work.
 
If you accept a evolution era POD you cold possibly have the US get some of Canada, not all of it, Nova Scotia proper is almost certainly staying British, but Upper Canada and Quebec and New Brunswick (called something else) are possibilities. Even if only one or two of those are taken, they are almost certainly going to end up free states, this means that early on the Slave/Free Balance is skewed, Northwest ordinance is still probable as slavery is less of a concern, so Free states will have a 1-3 state surplus by 1820. When Missouri is looking for admission an equivalent of the Tallmadge amendment can be passed. This is going to piss off certain elements in the South, and the admission of Maine as a free state will make that worse, thought probably won't lead to a civil war then and there barring extraordinary circumstances. If the North follows this up by trying for a ban in the territories, then you get a civil war in the 1820's, otherwise would likely wait until the 1830's when Arkansas wants in and the North tries a repeat *Tallmadge amendment, then the slave states will really be backed into a corner, and a civil war is likely
 
An election of John C. Fremont in 1856 could’ve changed things in the USA. It would’ve definitely led to a Civil War. Weather it is winnable or not I don’t know.
 
There was a TL that Civil War happens between 1857-1859 due to worse Bleeding Kansas and ineptness of Buchanan. I don't know is it plausable or not.
 
The earliest it’s doable is possibly if Henry Clay falls off his horse before the Missouri Compromise of 1820. Without him in the Speakers’ seat, it’s unlikely a compromise gets done. Bam. Civil War. That’s my guess for the earliest possible CW
 

samcster94

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The earliest it’s doable is possibly if Henry Clay falls off his horse before the Missouri Compromise of 1820. Without him in the Speakers’ seat, it’s unlikely a compromise gets done. Bam. Civil War. That’s my guess for the earliest possible CW
Him being dead(so he can't write compromises) early might make it possible earlier.
 
The earliest it’s doable is possibly if Henry Clay falls off his horse before the Missouri Compromise of 1820. Without him in the Speakers’ seat, it’s unlikely a compromise gets done. Bam. Civil War. That’s my guess for the earliest possible CW

Though probably only an outside chance.

More likely, Missourians sulkily agree to be admitted as a free state - and then legalise slavery as soon as statehood is final and irrevocable.
 
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