AHC Earliest Possible Invention of Agriculture

Igor MGTOW

Your Challenge Should you choose to accept it is to make a scenario where humans invent agriculture earlier than our timeline bonus points if you make a map
 

SwampTiger

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WI: Agriculture appears during the Ice Age

100,000 years ago, humans (as in homo sapiens) were essentially confined to Africa. Neanderthals were dominant in Europe, and the Ice Age was in full swing. So what if Ice Age humans had developed agriculture then? How might the first civilizations have evolved in that environment? I think the...
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Possibly dumb question: Why no earlier civilizations?

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These are a result of a simple Search. This has been an ongoing subject for years, including several ongoing timelimes. Pick a POD rather than a very general question. If you go too far into the past, you may want to post in ASB or AH Writer's Forums.
 

The Tai-Pan

Wait, does Lands of Red and Gold have agriculture before other places? I thought it just had an alternate plant in Australia?
 

SwampTiger

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Yes, Lands of Red and Gold, is an alternate agricultural revolution in Australia. However, it shows a development in Australia earlier and more robust than OTL. Thus, IMHO, it fits with this thread,

Igor MGTOW, go to top right of page, hit Search, put in key words. I used agriculture early earlier. It required going through several pages. People here are willing to help.
I was taught there are no stupid questions if you do not know the answer. There are, however, stupid answers. I have seen many on this site and others. Watch out for those.
 

Arkenfolm

Igor MGTOW said:
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It is an interesting TL but it's certainly not agriculture before anywhere else considering that the agriculture developed (the "Western Agricultural Complex") is quite literally the last developed globally (early-mid 1st millennium AD) and is supplemented by a few key plants from the Eastern Agricultural Complex and in parts (well, most of modern California) agriculture much more typical of Oasisamerica.
 

SwampTiger

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I agree it is not EARLY agriculture world wide. It does point out the development of agriculture generally. Transpose that development to similarly harsh or unstable climates in the area of the Mediterranean, India and China to see how OTL development took place. I could see such developments earlier than our world. I could also see other areas which could have developed an early agriculture. The foothills of the Atlas mountains, various islands in the Mediterranean, the Iberian peninsula, Iran, the Ganges Valley are all well populated by the beginning of OTL agriculture. These foundations began around 12-11,000 years before present(BP), the period of the Younger Dryas.

You might have the beginning of agriculture start at the end of the Pleistocene/Middle Epipaleolithic between 15-14000 BP. This is just as the temperature start rising. It would result in agriculture spreading into Europe, Asia and Africa before the cold of the Younger Dryas. Thus, a larger population in the Eastern Mediterranean at an earlier date. More people means more ideas for surviving the YD ice age. Greater chances of finding successful solutions to cold tolerant plants. Earlier domestications of plants and animals.

An earlier domestication event is possible, but gets harder the earlier you go.
 
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