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From my point of view Islamism was starting to get successful once (Pan-)Arab Nationalism and Socialism were spent ideologies, after decades of cleptocratic and inefficient rule and repeated Israeli victories. Once the Baathist regimes were sufficiently "hollowed out" external influences (*cough USA cough*) or even internal crisis allowed Islamists to embark on semi-succesful projects of nation building. In other places like Egypt Islamists enjoyed electoral success or were able to build efficient quasi-states like Hamas or to a degree the Hezbollah.
So what could be PODs for an earlier rise of Islamism? To clarify: The Islamic Revolution in Iran surely counts and there were several political parties/terrorist groups long before ISIS. What I am talking about is a Middle East where Islamism is a/the driving force of Middle Eastern politics like it seems to be today IOTL. (subjective I know)
ideas:
1) In the Yom Kippur War the Arabs do something dumb that allows the Israelis to turn the war from a victorious defense into a full fledged victory. Maybe using chemical weapons against Israeli formations, or something like this. The Superpowers also intervene later for some ATL reasons. Maybe Israeli recieves earlier and more robust U.S. support too.
Point is: Israel is more successful.Taking parts of Damascus and capturing all of the Egyptian forces on the Israeli side of the channel on a more permanent basis.
Syria is weakened enough to allow an Islamist uprising that plunges the country into a Civil War decades early. And in Egypt Saddat never has his "victory". Saddat still attempts to negotiate a peace treaty with Israel and triggers a full fledged Islamist uprising that the weakened army can't deal with easily.
2) Iran is more successful in the Iraq-Iran war. Successful enough to triger Shiite uprisings against Saddam, the Kurds ofc also join. Iraq fractures and Iran is able to create a puppet faction of Shiite Islamists in the ensuing Civil War.
3) The USA invades Saudi Arabia to break the OPEC embargo. Maybe Vietnam wasn't a clusterfuck ITTL.
They don't occupy Mecca and Medina but the presence of U.S. troops so close to the holy cities is enough to start major Islamist movements on the Arab Peninsula. The blatant Imperialism and the prospect of huge oil revenues for the Saudi successor also help to fuel the ensuing firestorm....
What do you think of my ideas?
Are there other good PODs for earlier Islamism?
How would this Islamism differ from OTLs Islamism? A weird hybrid of Socialism and Islamism like in Lybia?
More focused on Islamist Nation states instead of rebuilding a Caliphate?
Less terror and more conventional military methods?
So what could be PODs for an earlier rise of Islamism? To clarify: The Islamic Revolution in Iran surely counts and there were several political parties/terrorist groups long before ISIS. What I am talking about is a Middle East where Islamism is a/the driving force of Middle Eastern politics like it seems to be today IOTL. (subjective I know)
ideas:
1) In the Yom Kippur War the Arabs do something dumb that allows the Israelis to turn the war from a victorious defense into a full fledged victory. Maybe using chemical weapons against Israeli formations, or something like this. The Superpowers also intervene later for some ATL reasons. Maybe Israeli recieves earlier and more robust U.S. support too.
Point is: Israel is more successful.Taking parts of Damascus and capturing all of the Egyptian forces on the Israeli side of the channel on a more permanent basis.
Syria is weakened enough to allow an Islamist uprising that plunges the country into a Civil War decades early. And in Egypt Saddat never has his "victory". Saddat still attempts to negotiate a peace treaty with Israel and triggers a full fledged Islamist uprising that the weakened army can't deal with easily.
2) Iran is more successful in the Iraq-Iran war. Successful enough to triger Shiite uprisings against Saddam, the Kurds ofc also join. Iraq fractures and Iran is able to create a puppet faction of Shiite Islamists in the ensuing Civil War.
3) The USA invades Saudi Arabia to break the OPEC embargo. Maybe Vietnam wasn't a clusterfuck ITTL.
They don't occupy Mecca and Medina but the presence of U.S. troops so close to the holy cities is enough to start major Islamist movements on the Arab Peninsula. The blatant Imperialism and the prospect of huge oil revenues for the Saudi successor also help to fuel the ensuing firestorm....
What do you think of my ideas?
Are there other good PODs for earlier Islamism?
How would this Islamism differ from OTLs Islamism? A weird hybrid of Socialism and Islamism like in Lybia?
More focused on Islamist Nation states instead of rebuilding a Caliphate?
Less terror and more conventional military methods?
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