AHC: Different Japan in WW1

Would it be possible to make Japan fight Russia during World War 1?

I'm not talking about a minor skirmish, I'm referring to something the scale of the Russo-Japanese war.

the PoD must not be earlier than the Russo-Japanese war.
 
Would it be possible to make Japan fight Russia during World War 1?

I'm not talking about a minor skirmish, I'm referring to something the scale of the Russo-Japanese war.

the PoD must not be earlier than the Russo-Japanese war.

No Anglo-Japanese Alliance, no Triple Entente. There would have to be political changes in the European Alliance system.

The other possibility would be a war breaking out between the Bolshevik Russians and the Japanese following the collapse of the Russian Empire.
 

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so how do you put the Anglo japanese alliance in Taters or make the Japanese not honor it

They could conceivably not honour it but that would have been considered quite literally dishonourable.

And Japan’s involvement in World War One was a pure bonus for them; Germany had few military assets to defend their holdings in Asia. The Commander of the Far East Cruiser Squadron avoided engaging both the Japanese and Australia navies because he considered his force inferior to both.

As to David S Poepoe’s suggestion, conflict between Bolshevik Russia and the Japanese, well that did happen so no change there.
 
Even if you managed to magic away the Anglo-Japanese alliance and the potential problems that would entail with the Entente, I think you'll be hard pressed to get the Russians to fight back and engage in large scale operations against the Japanese in the Russian Far East. Most of their troops will be bogged down on the Eastern Front against the Germans and Austro-Hungarians, and logistics really hadn't improved since the Russo-Japanese War anyway. So the Japanese would pretty much roll into the Russian Far East largely unopposed, which isn't what you wanted in the OP.
 
Even if you managed to magic away the Anglo-Japanese alliance and the potential problems that would entail with the Entente, I think you'll be hard pressed to get the Russians to fight back and engage in large scale operations against the Japanese in the Russian Far East. Most of their troops will be bogged down on the Eastern Front against the Germans and Austro-Hungarians, and logistics really hadn't improved since the Russo-Japanese War anyway. So the Japanese would pretty much roll into the Russian Far East largely unopposed, which isn't what you wanted in the OP.

Yeah, I wanted to make Japan Distract the russians so much that they would fall down quicker than the OTL.
 
Second Russo-Japanese war

If a second war between Russia and Japan is already in full swing when Archduke Franz Ferdinand gets shot, then what happens? Russia is already moving troops east, and in one war already-but that also means the Russian army is mobilized already. That could be interesting.
 
Yeah, I wanted to make Japan Distract the russians so much that they would fall down quicker than the OTL.

That wouldn't work anyway. Less manpower would change the whole course of the war (since the Russians went on the attack whenever they had the chance, on Eastern and Anatolian fronts) but not change the fundamental fact that Russia only collapsed after she had mobilised more men than she could feed whilst also feeding her civilian population. The February revolutionaries turned against the corrupt and ineffective tsarist government, but they carried on the war - indeed, the revolution was welcomed by the Entente at first as a shot in the arm for our ally. You won't get a wholesale social collapse much faster just by making the military situation worse, since that only puts the Russians of the defensive, meaning less casualties (losses in Brusilov's offensive were atrocious).
 
That wouldn't work anyway. Less manpower would change the whole course of the war (since the Russians went on the attack whenever they had the chance, on Eastern and Anatolian fronts) but not change the fundamental fact that Russia only collapsed after she had mobilised more men than she could feed whilst also feeding her civilian population. The February revolutionaries turned against the corrupt and ineffective tsarist government, but they carried on the war - indeed, the revolution was welcomed by the Entente at first as a shot in the arm for our ally. You won't get a wholesale social collapse much faster just by making the military situation worse, since that only puts the Russians of the defensive, meaning less casualties (losses in Brusilov's offensive were atrocious).

Ok, fine
how about NHBL's suggestion?
 
Would it be possible to make Japan fight Russia during World War 1?

I'm not talking about a minor skirmish, I'm referring to something the scale of the Russo-Japanese war.

the PoD must not be earlier than the Russo-Japanese war.

Japan had nothing to gain by attacking Russia in 1914.

Japan had already Korea, Port-Arthur region, a big influence on Mandchuria, half of Sakhaline...

Nobody will let Japan occupied valuable territories in russian far-east as Vladivostosk, because nobody will accept asiastic rule on european people...

Japan had everything to lose : Anglo-Japan Alliance, distrust from China and the USA...
 
Would it be possible to make Japan fight Russia during World War 1?

I'm not talking about a minor skirmish, I'm referring to something the scale of the Russo-Japanese war.

the PoD must not be earlier than the Russo-Japanese war.

If the Russo-Japanese war either does not happen or doesn't leave Manchuria in Japanese hands, possibly. Then Japan might be tempted to join the Entente, preferring short-term gains against Russia to potential long-term gains with Britain.
 
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