Will Kürlich Kerl
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Challenge: With a POD after 1308, have the city of Munich be Czech-speaking.
Challenge: With a POD after 1308, have the city of Munich be Czech-speaking.
The Hussites in Silesia are the most Anti-Polish(Slavic) and Pro-Germanization Faction Ever, so Hussite does not mean Czech, the POD would be during the time of Methodius and Cyril, the Church Slavonic is taught to the Slavic Austrians and the Slavic Population expands to Bavaria.Hussites go nuts, make many converts, Martin Luther Who?
Bohemia gathers its allies and orders Bavaria-Straubring to give over its land in 1376, by order of King Wenceslas IV. The country soon invades Bavaria, and began the Decade Occupation in 1378. During this time, the Bavarian dialect began to first lose its official usage. In 1379, Wenceslas IV had a son, Charles V by his wife, Joanna, second daughter of the Duke of Bavaria. In 1381, he had a daughter he named Margaret after Joanna's mother. In 1382, he had another son, Sigismund by her. The Crown Duke, son of Duke Albert, was killed in a duel by a Bohemian of noble descent. Joanna became the heir to the duchy by Wenceslaus's demands. After her passing in 1388(two years later than OTL), Wenceslaus took her sister as his wife. However, Charles became the Regent for his grandfather in 1389, when the occupation ended due to Wenceslaus claiming "grief for my poor spouse has overwhelmed me."
Margaret, the younger bride of Wenceslaus, had another son named Mikolas in 1392. Then she had a daughter in 1393, whom she named Johana, the Czech version of Joanna, after her deceased sister. In 1394, Margaret died due to pneumonia. In 1396, Wenceslaus IV married Sophia, Princess of Bavaria-Mumich. In 1398, Albert died and Charles became Duke of Bavaria-Straubring. In 1397, Sophia had her first child, whom she named Stephen after her uncle. She lay claim to Bavaria-Munich. It is rumored that when she went to Munich to convince her brothers, she also bribed them with extravagant gifts from Charles and Wenceslaus. Ernest, however, was killed when a riot in Munich resulted in a rock being thrown and killing him. William then agreed to give her rights as a Duke and she became Duchess Consort. He was arrested and killed by guards loyal to her.
After Wenceslaus first became sick in 1405, repeated attempts at his assassination failed.Charles continuously supported the assassination until Wenceslaus was forced to have him executed. Mikolas became the ruler of Bavaria-Straubring. He gathered his supporters into one place, slowly and slowly gaining power among the aristocracy. On February 26, 1406 he went in and witnessed his father being arrested by a Captain and some twenty soldiers. Feigning terror, he fled the palace and began drumming up his supporters who had been spreading anti-Wenceslaus propaganda. Although it has been claimed that Wenceslaus died at the hands of Mikolas or a stray bullet, there are many things suggesting that he was tossed into the crowd, and his son managed to rally the aristocrats and "loyalist" troops enough to stop the rioting. He discovered the unfortunate colonel who had ordered it because of a bribe making up half the royal treasury, which was recovered by the troops, and tossed him and all four hundred and fifty of his men to the ground. Mikolas calmly shot the colonel with a pistol and then heard the cry of dozens of officers who were killed. The men not killed by the firing line were torn apart by the crowd. Conveniently, the Captain and his troops weren't in the number of those who died, but instead retired to a royal estate.
Mikolas ordered his stepmother down from her throne and assumed the title of "King of Romans, Heir to Rome, King of Bohemia, Duke of Bavaria, Count of Prague, Elector of Brandenburg, Count of Munich..." He later invaded the rest of Bavaria and ended his rule as a warrior-King. His son, Mikolas II "The Great" is renowned for having assimilated and converted the Bavarians to many Czech customs. He was elected Holy Roman Emperor in 1345, at the age of twenty-three. He later married Margaret of Burgundy and would become Grand Duke of Burgundy. The only war he fought was when Pomerralia almost became ruled by a Jagiaellon(sp.?) due to Polish influence. In response, he gathered the Empire and invaded. He gained all of Pomerralia into a vassal status to him and established the Duchy of Prussia, which was comped of Polish Prussia and the Teutonic Knights. The Empire after his death became ruled by his son, Sigismund. He was the one who convinced Pomerralia and Prussia to join Bohemia. In 1392, he released Prussia as Pom., Old Prussia, and Brandenburg to his second son, Frederick. He then released Burgundy to his step-brother and descendant of Stephen, the son of Joanna and Wenceslaus, Otto. Today, we understand Bohemia as encompassing Silesia, Bohemia-Moravia, and Bavaria. Burgundy encompasses Wurtemburg and Baden now, while Prussia united north Germany in 1893. Austria has for a long time controlled only itself and Slovenia. Such ends the tale of the Czech Bavaria.
A Bohemia-Bavaria will become German in culture not Czech in culture, Czech has less prestige at that time.![]()
Matter of discussion. In fact, Bohemian nobility was staunchly Czech speaking until the end of 17th century. And many Bohemian cities founded by German collonist in 13th century turned Czech century and half later (even before Hussite Wars).
But the Luxembourgs are more French/German than Czech in fact John of Bohemia made sure Charles IV was raised that way - the last Luxembourg was half Pole and Kaszubian.Firstly, the population of the part of Bavaria Bohemia came to control is much less than the population of Czech Brandenburg, Silesia, and Bohemia-Moravia combined. Secondly, they would be ruled over by a Czech-speaking monarch and nobility, not to mention the monarch is also Holy Roman Emperor. I covered how Bavaria adopted Czech culture, by the way.
Wenceslaus IV spoke very little German, if any. One cannot assume he would Frenchify or Germanify Bavaria any more than he did Bohemia in our timeline.But the Luxembourgs are more French/German than Czech in fact John of Bohemia made sure Charles IV was raised that way - the last Luxembourg was half Pole and Kaszubian.
The only way we could have a Czech Bavaria is an earlier POD during Christianization.
Wenceslaus IV spoke very little German, if any. One cannot assume he would Frenchify or Germanify Bavaria any more than he did Bohemia in our timeline.
A German Bavarian who now wouldn't rise to power. Your assumptions are quite below what I should expect of you. Before your arguments made sense. I explained how he did this, and your objections, quite plainly, make no sense.In OTL Wenceslaus IV was deposed by a German Bavarian in OTL, I don't think he could acquire Bavaria since his enemies in Bavaria are stronger than him, you could have the deal with Jogaila push through and have Silesia returned to Poland with it making Jogaila his own personal ally and give him support against his enemies but I doubt if he gets any of Bavaria in this scenario.
A German Bavarian who now wouldn't rise to power. Your assumptions are quite below what I should expect of you. Before your arguments made sense. I explained how he did this, and your objections, quite plainly, make no sense.
If Bohemia gets to rule more parts of Germany, Bohemia could end up Germanized in the End - the same could have happened if Premysl Ottokar was able to be crowned as Holy Roman Emperor - the only possibility of a Czech wank is if Poland unites with Czechia during the middle ages, in this case Czech would be the interslavic linguafranca used by Poles, Kaszubians, Slovaks and Czechs, the Poles used to have Czech as their literary language - in this case the only competition will be from Russian.
I think the real POD of having the Southern part of Germany being Slavic then converted to Czech speaking is during the time of Methodius and Cyril - have the Slavs including the Proto-Slovenes in Austria converted to Christianity earlier and have them be under Czech control - in this scenario they have enough population to assimilate the Bavarians
I agree on that - Luxembourg remained Walloon and German even if it shared a monarch with Bohemia.In my humble opinion I think that some kind of Bohemian-Bavarian union would end up neither in Czech speaking Munich nor in German speaking Prague. After all we can see many our timeline examples of long term union of medieval Bohemia with German speaking country.
The best example is surely Silesia: Silesian duchies were already germanized when they became fiefs of Bohemian king. They remained within Bohemian crown until Frederick the Great incorporated Silesia into Prussia. Yet we didnt see Czech speaking Breslau... But we also didnt see Germanized Bohemia (actually, as late as 1740 when Frederick the Great entered Silesia, Prague city concil still administrated in Czech).
We should remember that there were very little central government authorities in medieval unions. Within the Bohemian crown, there was just Chancellery and Appelation Court (both had two sections based on language, Czech and German). There was also so-called General diet, but sessions of this body were quite sparse. Otherwise there was NO central institution. The lands within Bohemian crown, Bohemia, Moravia, Silesia and both Lusatias, acted often as entirely independent countries. So nothing prevented Bohemian and Moravian nobility from speaking Czech and nothing prevented Silesian and Lusatian nobility from speaking German. And actually, official language of Bohemia and Moravia was Czech whilst official language of Silesia (except Oppeln, Troppau and Teschen) and Upper and Lower Lusatia was German. Later germanization of Bohemian and Moravian nobility had nothing to do with centuries lasting union with German speaking Silesia and Lusatia.
In my humble opinion I think that union of Bohemia and Bavaria would not much differ from our timeline union with Silesia and Upper and Lower Lusatia. I dont think that Bavaria would end up as Czech speaking. And if Bohemia would be germanized (at least superficialy), it would not be because of union with Bavaria.