AHC Crimean Gothic Persistance

[cmakk1012]

Aside from those with the most easy translations who could the others be? I will put some of the translations from the older to newer titels.
Isauricus - ?
Cillicius - Cillicia as a region
Armenicus - Armenia as a region or an ethnic group?
Dalamaticus - Dalamaticus could refer to the Dalmatian region(present day Croation coast) or Dalmatians as a Latin ethnic group.
Ugricus - Possibly Greeks?
Bosniacus - Seem to refer to Bosnia as region but perhaps as a ethnic group?
Chrobaticus - Croatia as a region or Croatians as a ethnic group
Lazieus - Maybe Laz region of north eastern Turkey? Or maybe Hungary?
Ibericus - Possibly caucasian Iberia?
Bulgaricus - Bulgaria as ethnic group or region?
Zikhieus - ?
Azaricus - Maybe Azeris?
Gothicus - Gothia(Crimea) as a region or Goths as a ethnic group?

Isauricus could refer to Isauria in Anatolia, although IIRC its distinctiveness had faded by the 12th century.

 

[Carp]

Ugricus - Possibly Greeks?

Hungarians.

Zikhieus - ?

Circassians/Adyghe, a Caucasian people then known as the Zikhi.

Isauricus could refer to Isauria in Anatolia, although IIRC its distinctiveness had faded by the 12th century.

It had indeed, but remember that this was a list of titles of Manuel Komnenos, who was trying to reclaim Anatolian provinces from the Turks. Manuel's not making a claim as to Isaurian ethnic identity, he's boasting that he rules (or claims to rule) the region of Isauria.

 

[Hvalrossen]

Isauricus could refer to Isauria in Anatolia, although IIRC its distinctiveness had faded by the 12th century.

kk. Also, do you think the text reflects ethnic or regional divisions?

Hungarians.

Circassians/Adyghe, a Caucasian people then known as the Zikhi.

It had indeed, but remember that this was a list titles of Manuel Komnenos, who was trying to reclaim Anatolian provinces from the Turks. Manuel's not making a claim as to Isaurian ethnic identity, he's boasting that he rules (or claims to rule) the region of Isauria.

KK. Bolded was what i suspected.

 

[Jürgen]

I think the Crimean Goth would do best if they succeed in making a vassalage agreement with the Ottomans. Next maybe they could get a similar position among the Crimean Tatars as the Tajiks had among their Turkish neighbours, sedentary and urban population. We could see them spreading in the Crimean Khanate, until they have colonies spread out all of it. If some or most stayed Christian these could serve as a way for new farming methods and crops spreading from Europe to them. Which would resulted in a population boom and expansion of the sedentary population in the Khanate.

 

[Hvalrossen]

I think the Crimean Goth would do best if they succeed in making a vassalage agreement with the Ottomans.

How could the Crimean Goths get such a agreement? First they would have to establish a center of power, that would controll or influence Goths as to them a negotiating player.

Next maybe they could get a similar position among the Crimean Tatars as the Tajiks had among their Turkish neighbours, sedentary and urban population. We could see them spreading in the Crimean Khanate, until they have colonies spread out all of it. If some or most stayed Christian these could serve as a way for new farming methods and crops spreading from Europe to them. Which would resulted in a population boom and expansion of the sedentary population in the Khanate.

Maybe if the Crimean Goths were competing with the Crimean Greeks, then the Goths could side with the Tatars?

The Crimean Goths could perhaps perform that is less prestigous or with a lower pay than Tatars, thus freeing up Tatar labour.