AHC: Create Italian African mobsters

Create a POD in which Italian mobsters immigrate to an african country.

a la' Scarface meets Casablanca.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
Very hard to do. The Mafia evolved in the United States because the provided protection and services to an ignored minority group.

In Africa, Italians of whatever stripe would be treated as colonists, which automatically puts them at the top of Colonial society. There is no space for a mafia to form here since the conditions won't be the same; colonial authorities will provide the services that a mafia would, and more effectively.

Mafias are born of a protection vacuum that would not exist for colonists.
 
Maybe a post Italian-Rule stable-democratic Somalia which somehow comes to be dominated more by the former British part?

I know that is very unlikely considering the Italians have Mogadishu and would likely have more power vs the British, so there needs to be a POD either swapping which side gets what part of Somalia in the 19th century, or the British wrangle into power like the Boers in South Africa.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
Maybe a post Italian-Rule stable-democratic Somalia which somehow comes to be dominated more by the former British part?

I know that is very unlikely considering the Italians have Mogadishu and would likely have more power vs the British, so there needs to be a POD either swapping which side gets what part of Somalia in the 19th century, or the British wrangle into power like the Boers in South Africa.
That doesn't change anything; the Italians will still be a privileged minority defended by the Colonialists. No matter who runs the place, the colonial authorities #1 concern will be "protecting the white folks."

And an Italian-Rule stable-democratic Somalia is an oxymoron. Italy cannot run a democratic Somalia, as a democratic Somalia's first action will be to declare independence from Italy.
 
That doesn't change anything; the Italians will still be a privileged minority defended by the Colonialists. No matter who runs the place, the colonial authorities #1 concern will be "protecting the white folks."

And an Italian-Rule stable-democratic Somalia is an oxymoron. Italy cannot run a democratic Somalia, as a democratic Somalia's first action will be to declare independence from Italy.

Maybe a post Italian-Rule stable-democratic Somalia which somehow comes to be dominated more by the former British part?

I know that is very unlikely considering the Italians have Mogadishu and would likely have more power vs the British, so there needs to be a POD either swapping which side gets what part of Somalia in the 19th century, or the British wrangle into power like the Boers in South Africa.

The idea was the "mafia" protects the Italian whites from British whites while the democratic and egalitarian-ish "democratic" government of Somalia doesn't cause a white-flight.

Maybe having Britain take Somalia after a war with Italy for some reason.
 

Wolfpaw

Banned
The idea was the "mafia" protects the Italian whites from British whites while the democratic and egalitarian-ish "democratic" government of Somalia doesn't cause a white-flight.

Maybe having Britain take Somalia after a war with Italy for some reason.
The British aren't going to harass Italians in the colonies. If they do that, the Italians will leave. In the Colonies, White was Right no matter the issue. Italians will be provided full colonizer benefits, as they were IOTL during the British occupation of Italy's African holdings.
 
The British aren't going to harass Italians in the colonies. If they do that, the Italians will leave. In the Colonies, White was Right no matter the issue. Italians will be provided full colonizer benefits, as they were IOTL during the British occupation of Italy's African holdings.

Communist Revolution in Italy makes Italian colonists rather be semi-annoyed by the Brits rather than go home to Red-Italy?

IMO white in-fighting with black apathy is the best way to create an Italian Mafia in Africa.
 
Communist Revolution in Italy makes Italian colonists rather be semi-annoyed by the Brits rather than go home to Red-Italy?

IMO white in-fighting with black apathy is the best way to create an Italian Mafia in Africa.

Unless this Red Italy looks like North Korea, I assume that the Italian colonists would rather go back home than stick around as a disliked minority in a far-off land, especially if they think the British is going to give Somalia independence.
 
Weren't they that in the USA OTL?

Well, I guess you could speak of Italian-Americans as minorities, but you could also say the same for Irish-Americans, German-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, etc. I would lump them in with the racial majority. Same can't be said with Italians in Somalia.

And of course, don't forget that many Italian immigrants to America moved back to the homeland. For Somalia, I think more of them would go back.
 
Maybe South Africa as a buffer against Afrikaner nationalism and hostility towards Oitlanders (this did indeed apply towards non-Afrikaner whites, esp. but not limited to the English).

Other than that pretty much infeasible.
 
One word: Tunisia. There were lots of Italians there, but they weren't in charge as it was a French possession. In OTL they were actually troublemakers already, as they did consider themselves a persecuted minority there and became active irredentists and Fascists as a result. Indeed, Carlos Marcello was born there. However, there is the problem that most of them are disaffected grandchildren of revolutionaries who fled the Bourbons, and thus not the socially conservative types who were so deeply involved in the Mafia tradition, as well as the issue of Mafia-Vs-Fascist animosity.

The Mafia evolved in the United States

I think you mean Scilly. What you call Mafia in the US isn't real Mafia, it's just a off-colour export, it makes more sense to call it the mob.
 
The Italian mafia had close links with several Somali warlords in Moqadishu as far back the early 90s.

All the "dumping of toxic waste" some minor drug transshipment were facilitated by the Italian mafia.

Although the pirates financial networks are clan based and its an open secret that groups close to the Puntland government are behind it, their main rivals are ex-somali warlords that have Italian mafia backing.
 
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