AHC:Cossacks war with Banditos in Waco, Texas: 9 people dead, 20 injured.ATL Headline
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The Russian American Company, had some chances at creating more substantial colonies in California. Perhaps in a world where they successfully seize the north of California and win trading rights with the province of Alta California (in the spanish empire colonies couldn't trade on their own) like Nikolai Rezanov wanted then perhaps Russia could be in a position to buy Alta California when the Spanish Empire collapsed.
Part of the Russian plan for colonization was sending serfs over and gradually emancipating them. Perhaps a portion of what became the Amur Cossack Host is also transferred over to California.
A speculative theory would be that Mexico would be more able to make reforms after it breaks away from Spain, since Alta California was a very conservative province. Mexico might be richer as well since trade with Russia would be an additional market for them. So lets say they are able to keep Texas and defeat the American rebels. Mexico is able to make more social reforms and the US loses interest in seizing Mexico.
Lets say America is totally stymied out of the Pacific since there was vote on whether the Oregon Country was to be an independent country and lets say John McGloughlin's side wins out and Oregon is an independent nation.
The Bandidos side is pretty easy to figure out, even if Mexico is reformed uprisings and large numbers of bandits would still be a problem. Perhaps Mexico is having particular amounts of problems and ends up contracting Russian American Company cossacks to fight them.
The Russian American Company, had some chances at creating more substantial colonies in California. Perhaps in a world where they successfully seize the north of California and win trading rights with the province of Alta California (in the spanish empire colonies couldn't trade on their own) like Nikolai Rezanov wanted then perhaps Russia could be in a position to buy Alta California when the Spanish Empire collapsed.
Part of the Russian plan for colonization was sending serfs over and gradually emancipating them. Perhaps a portion of what became the Amur Cossack Host is also transferred over to California.
A speculative theory would be that Mexico would be more able to make reforms after it breaks away from Spain, since Alta California was a very conservative province. Mexico might be richer as well since trade with Russia would be an additional market for them. So lets say they are able to keep Texas and defeat the American rebels. Mexico is able to make more social reforms and the US loses interest in seizing Mexico.
Lets say America is totally stymied out of the Pacific since there was vote on whether the Oregon Country was to be an independent country and lets say John McGloughlin's side wins out and Oregon is an independent nation.
The Bandidos side is pretty easy to figure out, even if Mexico is reformed uprisings and large numbers of bandits would still be a problem. Perhaps Mexico is having particular amounts of problems and ends up contracting Russian American Company cossacks to fight them.
Insert a second POV after more Russian colonization, were the US fails to industrialize as quickly: Cossacks displace Native Americans in the Great Plains, Mississippi Cossacks. They make some raids into Mexican and American territory, act as mercenaries, regular Cossack stuff... eventually they are bound to meet other bandits.
Another interesting scenario, the Mexican state begins using companies of Russian mercenaries to fulfill its security needs; eventually one of them pulls a Reza Pahlavi on them, probably even Reza himself that would be a fun TL.
Another interesting scenario, the Mexican state begins using companies of Russian mercenaries to fulfill its security needs; eventually one of them pulls a Reza Pahlavi on them, probably even Reza himself that would be a fun TL.
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Chicago Sun Herald Tribune Register Times Gazette - 18 May 1915
"Cossacks war with Banditos in Waco, Texas: 9 people dead, 20 injured"
Howzat?
"Cossacks war with Banditos in Waco, Texas: 9 people dead, 20 injured"
- Gun runners caught in ambush as they cross border from United States
- President Diaz protests US inaction in stopping arms reaching Mexican revolutionaries
- Diaz relying increasingly on Russian allies to prop up crumbling Mexican regime
Howzat?
Nope. As I said in the OP, there is a thread about the actual news story in "Chat"; this is a challenge to get the same headline in an ATL with a POD before 1900, with the unstated (but not required) assumption that it's actual Russian Cossacks vs. actual Mexican/Spanish-American bandits. (For example, you could posit a Confederate mounted guerrilla group a la Mosby who took the name "Cossacks " to strike terror into Unionist hearts).
I put this up in "After 1900" as well. Say, bigger American support for the Whites in the Russian Revolution, with a band of Cossacks being evacuated to America and ending up settling in Texas because of their horsemanship.
Or a group of Cossack cavalry fighting for the Germans in WWII being shipped to the Western front after the Battle of Kursk, being captured, sent to America as POWs, then being allowed to stay by pleading their case to an anti-commie Texas Senator. They settle on the border and their descendants end up fighting drug and people smugglers. Can't you just picture Fox News eating up a pistol-packing anti-commie anti-immigrant beautiful blonde Russian-Texan on horseback?
As I understand it, threads concerning post-1900 events belong here if the POD is before 1900- though this headline could be either 19th or 20th/21st C.
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A large group of the former White Army settles in Texas and are taken on to provide security and bolster the Texas National Guard. Pancho Villa invades America again like he did in 1916 but the Cossacks manage to repulse his forces, who are called Bandidos in the American press.