AHC: Confederate nostalgia considered unacceptable

ITTL the butterflies of what Jackson does arguably alter the entire contours of US politics to a point where religion may never become a motivating force in its own right, depending on how it'd unfold as an actual TL.


I know I was just being a pill and noting that with such persons either the victims had it coming somehow or the perpetrators were actualy "Crypto-Athiests."
 
I know I was just being a pill and noting that with such persons either the victims had it coming somehow or the perpetrators were actualy "Crypto-Athiests."

Well, ITTL American religious fanaticism leads to a major atrocity that'd overshadow the March to the Sea and its equivalents by virtue of the winners making damn sure to write the history books in this case. That by itself makes any equivalent of a Religious Right rather more awkward, as it's easy to say "See, you're like Stonewall Jackson."
 
Well, ITTL American religious fanaticism leads to a major atrocity that'd overshadow the March to the Sea and its equivalents by virtue of the winners making damn sure to write the history books in this case. That by itself makes any equivalent of a Religious Right rather more awkward, as it's easy to say "See, you're like Stonewall Jackson."
oooh, yeeeaaaaah, I can see that.

I could see myself actually relishing that, as I tell a would be god-shouter or sociqal COnservative,

"Who do you think you are, Stonewall Jackson?"
 
oooh, yeeeaaaaah, I can see that.

I could see myself actually relishing that, as I tell a would be god-shouter or sociqal COnservative,

"Who do you think you are, Stonewall Jackson?"

Well, religion would still be a dynamic force in US politics, but the particular variety desired by the Religious Right would never sell due to the cultural memory that'd attach to Stonewall's rampage. Jackson himself would have a cultural view somewhere around Nathan Bedford Forrest ITTL as opposed to the Marty Tzu he was turned into IOTL.
 
Well, religion would still be a dynamic force in US politics, but the particular variety desired by the Religious Right would never sell due to the cultural memory that'd attach to Stonewall's rampage. Jackson himself would have a cultural view somewhere around Nathan Bedford Forrest ITTL as opposed to the Marty Tzu he was turned into IOTL.

Yeah, Openly Christian social conservativism would be dead i nthe water.
 
Uh hate to be a problem, but the sitting members of the presentday body of COngress are themselves very enamored of the very myth we are speaking against. They could be a problem.
Obama himself laid a wreath on the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery.
 
Obama himself laid a wreath on the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery.
SO there is a clear difference between that and being enamoured of the actual defense of slavery. President Obama was reccognising that the COnfederate dead were AMerican Soldiers not appoving of Slavery.

You DO understand that, I hope.
 
Well sure, and I think Obama's actions there were quite appropriate. But a lot of Confederate nostalgia involves treating the average Confederate soldier like a saint. The memorial in Arlington, put up by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in 1914, is a pretty heavily wrapped up in the Confederate nostalgia of that era. It even mentions the "lost cause," albeit with a Latin quote about Caesar and Cato.
 
Well sure, and I think Obama's actions there were quite appropriate. But a lot of Confederate nostalgia involves treating the average Confederate soldier like a saint. The memorial in Arlington, put up by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in 1914, is a pretty heavily wrapped up in the Confederate nostalgia of that era. It even mentions the "lost cause," albeit with a Latin quote about Caesar and Cato.
President Omana, dudicus is the word President so hard to type?
 
Yeah, Openly Christian social conservativism would be dead i nthe water.


No, they would simply call it a cheap shot and point out the differences between them and Jackson. There is not one mainstream conservative religious branch out there that states that slavery is a good thing or that Christians should go around sacking towns and cities in the name of God.
 
No, they would simply call it a cheap shot and point out the differences between them and Jackson. There is not one mainstream conservative religious branch out there that states that slavery is a good thing or that Christians should go around sacking towns and cities in the name of God.

Ah the "No true Scostman" fallacy. right on time.
 
No, they would simply call it a cheap shot and point out the differences between them and Jackson. There is not one mainstream conservative religious branch out there that states that slavery is a good thing or that Christians should go around sacking towns and cities in the name of God.

Except for the ones that want to make the GWOT into a crusade.
 
Ah the "No true Scostman" fallacy. right on time.


Not at all. I am NOT claiming "No true Christian" would do that. What I AM claiming is that you made a strawman Conservative Christian. A certain Conservative Christian did this (And over a century ago to boot!) means that ALL Conservative Christians would do that or allow themselves to be linked with it. Jim Jones was a far left Christian who led his people into suicide. Does that mean I should link ALL left wing Christians to Jim Jones? I am not even Christian but Agnostic.
 
oooh, yeeeaaaaah, I can see that.

I could see myself actually relishing that, as I tell a would be god-shouter or sociqal COnservative,

"Who do you think you are, Stonewall Jackson?"

Well, in OTL you can quite freely point out that all us "god-shouters" and social conservatives are Adolf Hitler--who is not only worse than Stonewall Jacksom OTL, but even worse than *Stonewall Jackson in the "No more Confederate nostalgia timeline, now with no Religious Right either". Unfortunately, that hasn't made us go away, has it?
 
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