AHC Christian Caliph

The great christian king (insertarandomnamehere) occupies Constantinople, takes the relics of Muhammad for himself and makes the Ottoman Sultan declare him the Caliph of Islam. Is that even possible? How would Christians and Muslims feel about it?
 
No. Just.. no.

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Ok, I'm probably playing too much ck2... I have an alternate plan: Megali Idea goes crazy. The Greeks get independent and somehow manage to occupy Constantinople and re-establish the Byzantine Empire. As a smart way to deal with the Muslims that will be a clear majority of some areas of the empire, they can keep the Ottoman Sultan as their hostage in a palace acting as a mere figurehead. I mean, the Mamluks did it with the Abbasids, but they were both Muslims..
 

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As a smart way to deal with the Muslims that will be a clear majority of some areas of the empire, they can keep the Ottoman Sultan as their hostage in a palace acting as a mere figurehead. I mean, the Mamluks did it with the Abbasids, but they were both Muslims..
Ottomans did it with the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople as well.
 
By the way, wasn't Baron Ungern à conservative Orthodox Christian and the reincarnation of Gengis Khan? He must have been fun in parties. Can't we have one in Greece?
 
Why would they make the Sultan their hostage? Surely creating a pliant "Grand Mullah" would be a better idea?

Why not both? They can't kill or release the sultan. As far as I remember keeping dangerous leaders as confortable hostages is the most reasonable choice most of the times. s. Napoléon.
 
There were various attempts by catholic leaders to forciably reheal the great schism by forcing the orthodox back into the roman church. The union of brest in lithuania for instance as well as various attempts in late era byzantine.

I suppose if islam is still viewed as a heresy, you could see a successful christian coutnry attempt the same. You'd need a very early pod, though.
 
Okay this is actually impossible, I hope you understand? Like it's not even ASB, it's not possible. It's like "AHC: Make Inanimate objects Anabaptists". Khalif arrasul literally means "deputy of the prophet". The earliest Khalifs were the commanders of the muslim faithful. It makes no sense. Just say you want the byzantines to retake Constantinople, like idgi. I can't actually comprehend the cognitive dissonance.
 
the only possible way I can see a Christian caliph is if a caliph was somehow to convert to Christianity

I can work with that.
  1. Megali Idea succeeds. The Greeks occupy Constantinople and make the Ottoman Sultan their hostage in a palace on the Bosphorus;
  2. The sultan nominally maintains his titles and continues to passes them on to his sons, grandsons, etc.;
  3. Three or four generations after, a "playboy" Caliph (think of the Aga Khan) only has one son;
  4. After a period in a sky resort in Switzerland, the boy becomes infatuated with an Austrian duchess;
  5. He converts to Catholicism to marry the girl.
Any Caliph who converted to Christianity would no longer be the Caliph, by definition.

Even if that's quite an obvious assumption (I have to admit that), is there something written specifically about it?
 
Okay this is actually impossible, I hope you understand? Like it's not even ASB, it's not possible. It's like "AHC: Make Inanimate objects Anabaptists". Khalif arrasul literally means "deputy of the prophet". The earliest Khalifs were the commanders of the muslim faithful. It makes no sense. Just say you want the byzantines to retake Constantinople, like idgi. I can't actually comprehend the cognitive dissonance.

It would be more constructive to articulate a little bit instead of being offensive and simply saying "it's not possible". We're in an alternative history forum after all.
 
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