AHC: Chinese controlled Japan

I read from some posters on here that FDR was willing to give Chiang Kai-Shek control of Okinawa and Ryu-Kyus, but that Chiang refused it for some reason. I don't know how to get any more than that under Chinese control.
 
China goes Meiji under a new dynasty after the Xinhai Revolution. Japan still militarizes and invades, though since China is more industrialized and united, the Sino-Japanese War of TTL resembles a conventional war between two modern armies like the Great Patriotic War than OTL's endless insurgency.

With a stronger China, Japan's blitzkrieg through Southeast Asia is less successful than IOTL. Consequently, by the time Japan surrenders, Chinese troops have fully retaken their territory and are occupying Korea and Taiwan. The Soviets never invade Manchuria, gaining Sakhalin the Kurils, and Hokkaido (which is renamed Stalinskiy Ostrov).

The Chinese government eventually agrees to grant Korea independence, in exchange for an occupation zone stretching from Kansai to Kyushu. The Ryukyus are declared independent as a de facto Chinese protectorate.

So about 60% of the former territories of the Japanese Empire itself is either annexed into China or under Chinese influence, while 40% of Japan proper is occupied by China.
 
I read from some posters on here that FDR was willing to give Chiang Kai-Shek control of Okinawa and Ryu-Kyus, but that Chiang refused it for some reason. I don't know how to get any more than that under Chinese control.

I think China was supposed to get an occupation zone in Japan, which was projected to be the Ryukyus; but Chiang did not actually have troops to spare for that, which scuttled that idea.

You might be thinking of the incident during the Cairo Conference, where FDR proposed giving Indochina to Chiang (since nobody save the French wanted the French to keep it), Chiang, however, replied "Under no circumstances!"
 
You challenge, if thoust choose to abide by it, is to make Japan be occupied and controlled by China.

Since you placed this in after 1900 discussion, There is no way you are doing this with a PoD after 1900. A more disciplined, smaller unified nation like Japan took 20 years to modernize, and another 20 years to even be at par with west military wise. So if you put that kind of culture/society in China, the fastest you can get is 1950s from the time Qing government collapses. Of course you will have more problems in China than in Japan due to a more diverse, less discplined and corrupt society.

Even if you find a way for China to modernize faster than OTL, Japan wont act the same way as OTL.

You cant have an ATL where China will have different result Japan will act the same way as OTL.

If you do PoD after WW2, there is no way USA will even allow that and being backed up by the one of the most advanced armed forces of the world, Japan self defense force.

This is ASBish considering the timespan you want it done.
 
I think you need a pre-1900 PoD to make this work. Basically, you either have to save the Qing Dynasty or replace it with a competent government. Do this early enough, and I see no reason why a partially or fully industrialized China can't easily defeat Japan in a war and occupy it.
 
For a pre-1900 PoD you would probably need to get rid of the Confucian bureaucracy. The Confucians were always more enamored with the idea of 'uniting the world by virtue", and the vassal system, graded in terms of Chinese-ness, sort of sprung from that. More pragmatically they were also fearful of imperial overstretch, fueled by examples from the fall of the Qin and Sui, and so OTL they did play a role in stopping many an aspiring conqueror (notably Qianlong).

Of course, there is some research that shows that the Chinese 'strategic view' wasn't really as defensive or peaceful as popularly thought of (at least, in terms of the Ming strategy against Mongols); but given that an Imperial invasion of Japan would require significant investment I can't imagine that a Confucian bureaucracy would allow it, unless you had a particularly strong/tyrannical emperor in power.

Probably the best time to do it is during the Yuan Dynasty (yeah it's not Chinese but still), when the disparity between Japan and China was probably the largest. The Tang is also a good bet, and so is the Qin had it lived longer. Early Chinese industrialization might also be a prelude to Japan conquest, though of course it's risky to assume that China will go colonial just because it industrialized.
 
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