AHC: Chilean Philippines and Hawaii

Chili was never really a great power, and didn't have the diplomatic prowess to assert their dominance over local governments there like the US did. Plus I highly doubt they could fight a war with Spain over the Philippines.

On another note, both island chains are probably to far north for any Chilean ships to reach conveniently up until the 1900s, which by that point both islands would be claimed.
 
Have the South American Pacific coast south of Lake Titicaca form its own Viceroyalty and have the Philippines attatched to it (like how it was part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain/Mexico) and then after revolution have the Philippines remain loyal/tied to the Chilean Viceroyalty and become independent as a singel unit.
 
For Hawaii, it is quite possible as long as they have a significant interest and navy to challenge any great power who may want to interfere in Hawaii.

For Philippines, it is improbable. You need to need to butterfly a lot of things for Spain, Philippines, USA and Chile just to make it work. Like Chile industry in great power level, navy same level or better than Spain, USA losing interest in Philippines, as well have higher population than Philippines(7.8M 1898 OTL compared to Chile same time 2.5-3M) for manpower to retain/conquer/pacify Philippines, etc. There is also the Moro problem at the Southern Philippines. Which means Chile needs to invent the .45 caliber cartridge rifle instead of the USA just to defeat them.

If you retain the same conditions for Spain, the Philippines and Chile as OTL, Chile will probably have a hard time defeating Spain. If Chile did defeat Spain, Chile must defeat the larger local Rebel Filipino Army which Chile does not have the manpower or resources like the USA OTL to defeat. Of course after all that, you still have to pacify and conquer the Moros which given OTL Chile technology, Chile was ill-equipped to handle the threat.
 
Chile just doesnt have the resources to pacify the Philippines unlike the US did, besides why would they when they could just try their luck at bolivia or argentina. Shorter supply train.
 
Given that Chile had the strongest Navy in the Western Hemisphere c. 1890, I could see Chile taking Hawaii and making a protectorate out of the Philippines.
 
Given that Chile had the strongest Navy in the Western Hemisphere c. 1890, I could see Chile taking Hawaii and making a protectorate out of the Philippines.

Habing a powerful does'nt mean shit against guerillas and a large population opposed to your being there.
 
Say Chile can get Hawaii on its own, perhaps due to a worse Civil War that retards American imperialism in the West, and the emergence of a strong Anglo-Chilean alliance. Then, after an alt-Great War that puts Chile on the winning side and Spain (which never fought the Spanish-American War and just barely managed to hang on the the Philippines, which went up in open revolt during the war) on the losing side, the Philippines is established as a *League of Nations Mandate. Responsibility for the mandate is then split between Chile and Britain. Voila.
 
Given that Chile had the strongest Navy in the Western Hemisphere c. 1890, I could see Chile taking Hawaii and making a protectorate out of the Philippines.

There are only 3 protectorates I see Filipinos will embrace. This will depend on who will come out the victor as the Filipino leader/president in their election. In OTL it was Aguinaldo who won, hence USA was embraced and invited. Had Bonifacio won, it would quite possibly have been France. Had another Filipino leader won the leadership/presidency, since majority of the Filipino leadership and Filipinos are pro-German, it would have been the Germans. Besides from the 3 countries mentioned above, I do not see any other power that Filipinos will welcome as protectorate or ally.
 
Ambitious challenge. My idea for a South Sea Empire based around Chile would expand as far west as what we called French Polynesia and as far east as the South Atlantic Islands (including all of Fire Island). Not even I can stretch their influence as far as Hawaii.
 
Say Chile can get Hawaii on its own, perhaps due to a worse Civil War that retards American imperialism in the West, and the emergence of a strong Anglo-Chilean alliance. Then, after an alt-Great War that puts Chile on the winning side and Spain (which never fought the Spanish-American War and just barely managed to hang on the the Philippines, which went up in open revolt during the war) on the losing side, the Philippines is established as a *League of Nations Mandate. Responsibility for the mandate is then split between Chile and Britain. Voila.

It is plausible for Britain to have control of the Philippines. How is it possible for Chile to get such a prize and what would drive Chile's interest to control Philippines?

If Chile would be given control, what is the capacity or resources to control even half of the non-moro Philippines? If chile receives the Moro half, how to even maintain or even control since otl USA even almost did not do it succeed it not for the .45 cartridge American invention?
 
Given that Chile had the strongest Navy in the Western Hemisphere c. 1890, I could see Chile taking Hawaii and making a protectorate out of the Philippines.

The Great Powers of Britain, France, and to some degree the United States, have already signed a treaty recognizing Hawaii's independence and neutrality. Chile can't project any naval power beyond the Galapagos Islands.
 

katchen

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Prussia could never do what Germany did in Europe. Prussia was too small. To be a Great Power, Prussia had to unify Germany. Chile's first task is to unify and develop Southern South America. And for that, Chile needs to get busy even before the Nitrate War. If Chile had followed up it's establishment of Punta Arenas Colony in 1843 with further colonies on the Atlantic side of Patagonia, Chile would be well situated to move on Argentina in 1852 after Manuel Rosas was deposed. Beginning with provinces such as Santiago de Estero, San Juan and Mendoza, Chile could move on Buenos Aires, then the rest of Argentina and then perhaps Uruguay. Chile would then have the task of consolidating it's control of Argentina by building railroads, in particular, Santiago to Buenos Aires and Montevideo and Concepcion to Bahia Blanca as well as north along either side of the Andes. European settlement could be encouraged. If the new nation feared European or American invasion, the capital could be moved across the Andes to Mendoza.
Then in 1870, which is the Nitrate War OTTL, Chile would be in a position to annex Peru and Bolivia altogether, not just take the Atacama Desert. And extend Chile's railroad system north to Lima, then Cajamarca in Northern Peru as well as Chuquisaca, La Paz and Santa Cruz in what had been Boliva. And on to Paraguay. And Ecuador.
Colombia and nations to the north, Chile might be well advised to avoid because of their frontage on the Caribbean, which likely WOULD bring the United States into the fight. Further south, Chile could probably pull a Prussia without the UK or the US getting perturbed enough to intervene militarily.
It is at that point, with Chile contgrolling the Andes from the Equator to Tierra del Fuego that Chile is ready to become a Pacific power. Here too, Chile would be well advised to start slowly with islands such as Juan Fernandez, the Galapagos, Easter Island, still unclaimed islands in the Toumantu, then Samoa, the Gilbert and Ellice Islands, maybe the Solomon Islands if the UK will go along with it and Micronesia. And perhaps Hawaii. At that point, Chile will be ready to take advantage of what opportunities may come up in the Philippines or even Taiwan by 1891, perhaps beating out the Japanese there.
 
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