AHC: Central Powers USA

Do you think the Entente could still win the War ?

  • They could ! (For Historical Determinists)

    Votes: 19 6.7%
  • Maybe ? It would be hard by they still got a shot

    Votes: 79 27.8%
  • No, they were already almost collapsing irl before the USA joined and would stand no chance

    Votes: 186 65.5%

  • Total voters
    284
Looking at the vote I thought I would be seeing more well thought out strategies on how the US would get involved.

Well I do not see it happening, and here is why.

All the US can do is take a few islands that Britain will take back latter.

The US Army is in no position to invade Canada, if so if could look like Napoleon in Russia.

How is America to project power to be involved in Europe, are they invading France.

Lastly finance, if the DOW is post 1914, any American loans will be defaulted on, that will effect markets.

Ok one more, Japan takes Guam, Midway and pressures Hawaii.

Not good

  1. Incorrect. There's this big thing called Canada; a key source for Britain of Iron Ore and wheat imports that will be vital to maintaining a war economy, especially as agricultural yields start dropping due to horses being pulled into the army for logistics and petrolium and coal have to be rationed for the military and heavy industry and away from farm machinery, to say nothing of the lost skills and labor as rural workers are pulled into the military. The Carribean Islands are, quite frankly, small potatos compared to that. And this is to say nothing of the economic shifts that will occur in British ability to trade with the rest of the Americas a the US starts commerce raiding.
  2. Everything of importance in Canada is within a 100 miles of the US border, or can be effectively isolated by taking out a point within that range. Taking Winnepeg alone (easy enough if you just operate out of a rail hub in the Mid-west like Minneapolis, logistics additionally facilitated by Great Lakes-based shipping) will result in all production west of it effectively being denied to Eastern Canada, including the lion's share of cereal production. That alone is going to have huge impacts on the war effort, as Britain will have trouble supplying any large expeditionary force to relieve the Canadians even if they can muster up the shipping. Now, can they US take the region quickly? Of course not; the US army is too small, but you just need a small proffesional force to scatter the small Canadian army or drive it into defend a small region of the East Coast (at too low of a density and the wrong type of terrain to pull off a Western Front style Trench defense) and then mustered National Guard or freshly trained third-tier troops can take up occupation duty on quiet parts of the front.
  3. The US dosen't need to invade Europe: the Continental CP would be doing the heavy lifting there.
  4. The US loses a few glorified coral reefs, and the Japanese run into the end of a logistical shoelace to threaten their source of pineapples. Any Japanese fleet that makes its way to Pearl isen't going to be able to fight an effective battle and get back to a good port to repair or get new ammo, and would have to be economical with fuel in order to have enough to get back (IE goiing slow) so a US fleet would be able to pursue and thus you're liable to lose any damaged/slowed down vessles and the smaller ones as stores are cannibalized to make sure the battle wagons can get back to the Home Islands.
 
Last first. Yes, France imported a lot of steel from Germany in 1913, the war was a massive disruption of trade flows, Italy really copped it.

There's a big difference between financial and economic collapse. A big part of the whole short war belief was that a long war couldn't be financed, but the war quickly shook out such hidebound thinking and the belligerents did what they had to do to find the money. Without the US as nuetral, and assets in the US frozen, the Entente would have to make adjustments to how it financed the war and ultimately how it was supplied and fought. They may print more money and extract more ruthlessly from colonies or whatever, but they are not going to sit on their hands just because the US is a belligerent.

You can't extract more money from African tribes or Vietnamese fisherman simply because the fiscal capacity isn't there and cannot be there ever; otherwise you've so changed those places they won't become colonies in the first places. And the Entente cannot just print money sufficient to fund their needs for the conflict without collapsing under the weight of hyper-inflation. I'll repost something from Mike Stone back from SHWI:

Finance

I've seen various figures quoted for total US
credits to the Allies in 1917-18, but my scruffy
old (1929) _Encyclopaedia Britannica_ gives a
figure of $9.5 billion, and is probably as
reliable as anything. This was all spent in the
US[1] presumably on raw materials. I haven't seen
a breakdown of _exactly_ what it was spent on (has
anyone?) But would guess that foodstuffs, steel
and especially oil figured prominently.

It was also vital for maintaining Allied credit in
the US, which by 1917 was looking distinctly
shaky. In October 1916 a British Treasury
Committee (JM Keynes was one of its members), set
up to report on how long Britain could go on
spending in America at the current rate, did so in
tones of less than ringing confidence -

"Our financial agents tell us in effect that, by
the use of every available device, and possibly at
the cost of postponing payments by bank
overdrafts, we shall still be solvent on 31st
March [1917]. They cannot tell us how this result
is to be achieved, but they hope and believe it
will be possible".

Patrick Devlin, who (in _Too Proud To Fight -
Woodrow Wilson's Neutrality_) quotes this report,
goes on to note that the French were in the same
bind. "France had in October [1916] completely
exhausted her gold and dollar resources, and in
order to finance her American expenditures for the
next six months needed at least £40,000,000 [about
$200 million at 1916 exchange rates] from the
British Treasury in addition to the sums already
promised." The other Allies were even more
dependent. Earlier in the year Keynes had observed
that Britain had "- - only one ally in this war -
France. The rest are pensioners"

Burton K Hendrick (_Life and Letters of Walter
Hines Page_) says -

"Page's papers show that Mr Balfour, in the early
stages of American participation, regarded the
financial situation as the thing which chiefly
threatened the success of the Allied cause. So
much greater emphasis has been laid on the
submarine warfare that this may at first seem
rather a misreading of Great Britain's peril. Yet
the fact is that the high rate of exchange and the
depredatory U-Boat represented almost identically
the same danger. The prospect that so darkened the
horizon in the spring of 1917 was the possible
isolation of Great Britain. England's weakness, as
always, consisted in the fact that she was an
island, that she could not feed herself with her
own resources and that she had only about six
weeks supply of food ahead of her at any one time.
If Germany could cut the lines of communication
and so prevent essential supplies from reaching
British ports, the population of Great Britain
could be starved into surrender in a very brief
time, France would be overwhelmed, and the triumph
of the Prussian cause would be complete. That the
success of the German submarine campaign would
accomplish this result was a fact that the popular
mind readily grasped. What it did not so clearly
see, however, was that the financial collapse of
great Britain would cut those lines of
communication quite as effectually as the
submarine itself. The British were practically
dependent for their existence upon the food
brought from the United States, just as the Allied
armies were largely dependent upon the steel which
came from the great industrial plants of this
country. If Great Britain could not find the money
with which to purchase these supplies, it is quite
apparent that they could not be shipped. The
collapse of British credit therefore would have
produced the isolation of the British Isles and
led to a British surrender, just as effectively as
would the success of the German submarine
campaign - -"

"- - - The matter that was chiefly pressing at the
time of the Balfour visit was the fact that the
British balances in the New York banks were in a
serious condition. It should always be remembered,
however, that Great Britain was financing not only
herself, but her Allies, and that the difficult
condition in which she now found herself was
caused by the not too considerate demands of the
nations with which she was allied in the war. Thus
by April 6, 1917, Great Britain had overdrawn her
account with JP Morgan to the extent of
$400,000,000 and had no cash available with which
to meet this overdraft. This obligation had been
incurred in the purchase of supplies, both for
Great Britain and for the Allied governments; and
securities, largely British-owned stocks and
bonds, had been deposited to protect the bankers.
The money was now coming due; if the obligations
were not met, the credit of Great Britain in this
country would reach the vanishing point. Though at
first there was a slight misunderstanding about
this matter, the American government finally paid
this overdraft out of the proceeds of the First
Liberty Loan. This act saved the credit of the
Allied countries - - - The first danger that
threatened, the isolation and starvation of Great
Britain, was therefore overcome .- - -"

Page himself wrote to President Wilson on March
5 -

"The inquiries which I have made here about
financial conditions disclose an international
situation which is most alarming to the financial
and industrial outlook of the United States.
England has not only to pay her own war bills, but
is obliged to finance her Allies as well. Up to
the present time she has done these tasks out of
her own capital. But she cannot continue her
present extensive purchases in the United States
without shipping gold as payment for them, and
there are two reasons why she cannot make large
shipments of gold. In the first place, both
England and France must keep the larger part of
the gold they have to maintain issues of their
paper at par; and in the second place, the German
U-Boat has made the shipping of gold a dangerous
procedure even if they had it to ship. There is
therefore a pressing danger that the
Franco-American and Anglo-American exchange will
be greatly disturbed; the inevitable consequence
will be that orders by all the Allied governments
will be reduced to the lowest possible amount, and
that trans-Atlantic trade will practically come to
an end - - Great Britain and France must have a
credit in the United States which will be large
enough to prevent the collapse of world trade and
the whole financial structure of Europe. If the
United states declares war against Germany, the
greatest help we could give Great Britain and its
Allies would be such a credit - - - Of course we
cannot extend such a credit unless we go to war
with Germany. But is there no way in which our
government might immediately and indirectly help
the establishment in the United States of a large
Franco-British credit without violating armed
neutrality? - - - The pressure of this approaching
crisis , I am certain, has gone beyond the ability
of the Morgan financial agency for the British and
French governments. The financial necessities of
the Allies are too great and urgent for any
private agency to handle - - . It is not
improbable that the only way of maintaining our
present pre-eminent trade position and averting a
panic is by going to war with Germany. The
submarine has added the last item to the danger of
a financial world crash. There is now an
uncertainty about our being drawn into the war; no
more considerable credits can be privately placed
in the United States. In the meantime a collapse
may come."

(Interestingly, this letter was written a month
_before_ the US entered the war. It looks as if,
four days after the publication of the Zimmermann
Telegram, British officials were getting certain
enough of US intervention to confide in Page about
what had hitherto been closely guarded secrets.
Judging from Wilson's efforts to pass Armed Ship
Bills and the like, they may have been surer of it
than he was. Nor is it at all certain that Page's
letter had much effect on the President. A few
months later he remarked that "Page is really an
Englishman and I have to discount whatever he says
about the situation in Great Britain." )

Hew Strachan (_The First World War_) puts it
differently, but comes to much the same
conclusion, noting that "By 1st April 1917 Britain
had an overdraft in the United States of $358
million and was spending $75 million a week. The
American entry to the war saved the Entente - and
possibly some American speculators - from
bankruptcy."

Stephenson doesn't go quite so far, saying that -

"By the time the United states entered the war in
April 1917 London had enough gold and securities
remaining to finance just three more weeks of
purchases and only advances from Morgans enabled
the Treasury to meet its obligations in the United
States. Although the British could still have
covered their dollar requirements without American
intervention they would have had enormous
difficulty in continuing to bankroll their
allies."

Quite why the difference between Page and
Stephenson I don't know. Possibly Page just didn't
distinguish as much as Stephenson between Britain'
s own needs and her need to support her allies,
considering the one just as essential as the
other. But that's only a guess.



[1] This was a condition of the loans, and would
cause some financial headaches later. Britain, in
turn, had been making extensive credits to other
Allies, but had neglected to impose a similar
requirement. So this money did not "come back"
into Britain to help us in repaying the US.

Leaving aside the issue of finances, a hostile U.S. dooms the Entente due to resource shortages as well. As noted, by 1918 France was importing thirty times her 1913 total of steel from the United States. With the Americans out, who do the French turn to? There is no one else on the globe that has the industrial capacity to do such. There's also other sectors, especially oil:

in 1917 was producing 335 million barrels
of oil, 67% of the world total, of which about one
quarter was going to Europe, so that the US
supplied 80% of total Allied oil needs.

I read that a while back. Its actually pretty good, and does a good job at representing the akward stumbling required to get to that point without overly altering the personalities/national priorities of those involved. But even that took the US basically two years to enter the conflict and for reasons entirely of its own making. That overcame by biggest hang-up on the issue: namely, that US-UK tensions are the only reasonable crack through which the US could squeeze into belligerency, but the UK was only tangentially attached to the Franco-Russian alliance prior to the actual start of the war and that if their immediate interests are threatened by the prospect of imminent war with the US there're very unlikely to jump into a massive conflict in Continental Europe. Radically changing the pre-war environment, weather I want to or not, is basically required in order to get a scenario where the US is willing to jump in right at war's start.

Not saying it is or isn't realistic, was just saying that's the only Post-1900 PoD I've saw.
 

Riain

Banned
@History Learner , I don't deny any of those figures but I will point out that it represents the path of least resistance. There are other options than importing cheap steel, they could get workers from Vietnam and Africa to work otherwise unprofitable mines. They could also be less prolifagate with wasting steel on useless offensives. When faced with such a desperate circumstances France will react with desperate measures before rolling over.
 
@History Learner , I don't deny any of those figures but I will point out that it represents the path of least resistance. There are other options than importing cheap steel, they could get workers from Vietnam and Africa to work otherwise unprofitable mines. They could also be less prolifagate with wasting steel on useless offensives. When faced with such a desperate circumstances France will react with desperate measures before rolling over.

I think the big issues there are politics and time. Can France raise domestic iron ore production and economize to help make up for the lost imports? Yes, but pulling in large amounts of labor, setting up new refining facilities, setting up the transport to and reopening idle mines for high intensity production requires alot of work. While you're doing that, Germany is sitting on large areas of your country without being contested and Russia is screaming at you to DO something as the Germans, realizing France has gone passive, can shift their forces and heavy equipment east to counter their advance into East Prussia and Gallicia and start making headway into Poland.

The last thing France needs in this scenario is an extended war, full stop. If anything, the US jumping on and the financial clock being set as a result means you're likely to see a doubling down on the idea of a quick and hard offensive to cripple Germany at any cost, as it's the only way the Entente has a prayer of winning without taking financial steps they'd seem horrific
 
I think the big issues there are politics and time. Can France raise domestic iron ore production and economize to help make up for the lost imports? Yes, but pulling in large amounts of labor, setting up new refining facilities, setting up the transport to and reopening idle mines for high intensity production requires alot of work. While you're doing that, Germany is sitting on large areas of your country without being contested and Russia is screaming at you to DO something as the Germans, realizing France has gone passive, can shift their forces and heavy equipment east to counter their advance into East Prussia and Gallicia and start making headway into Poland.

The last thing France needs in this scenario is an extended war, full stop. If anything, the US jumping on and the financial clock being set as a result means you're likely to see a doubling down on the idea of a quick and hard offensive to cripple Germany at any cost, as it's the only way the Entente has a prayer of winning without taking financial steps they'd seem horrific

Assuming the early phases of the war play out as they did IOTL, France can't increase steel production because the Germans have overrun most of their ore areas.
 
You have two separate issues in the original question.
1) how do you creat a POD that results in the US declaring war in. Aug 1914. And most of those would require such a large change that you would not recognize the world (ok maybe not that big but still large changes) or it requires something so out there as to be all but ASB such as France and or England committing obvious acts of aggression in the first week. Something like England blowing a couple of US ships out of the water. Or worse.

And
2) What are the results of the above.

The results are almost always going to result in France and England losing that fight as the US supplied to much in the line of resources and finance to them for them to absorb.
Add in that the US is going to gear up a lot faster the in OTL. This is for a few reasons First off part of the reason the US looked so bad in 1917 is because they were doing in 1917 what everyone else did in 1914. So you are comparing the US in its first year to the rest of Europe in its 3 or 4th years. In this timeline the US will be slowly gearing up at the same time every else is. Also the US won’t have the French and the English making a hash of it. Buy this I mean that in original timeline you had a lot of folks making suggestions and trying to influence the US in ways that did not necessarily benefit the US. England and France tried to influence everything from troop deployment to equipment purchases to tactics and they were not always making the same suggestions. So you had a lot of confusion going on as the US rushed to try and meet the urgency that the pressure of France and England combined placed on the US, That is not a good way to get the best results. Just one example is the mess with the French machine gun. You had US troops who where trained on the BAR and when sent to France many of them had the BAR taken away from them and issued the Chauchat. The result was they didn’t like it, didn’t know how to use it, didn’t know how to maintain it and it caused a mess. This kind of thing happened a lot to the US in the war. In this new timeline it won’t hapoen.
On top of this the US is going to move into building weapons ASAP in this timeline as they don’t need to supply any materials to anyone else.
And if the POD is something that the Citizens get behind you will see WW2 levels of commitment to the war. Something that WW1 did not have.
So the US will effectively build up a lot faster the in OTL.
As for Canada, Assuming the US and England both saw the war coming there is nothing England can do to protect Canada unless the drop fighting Germany. The US is t big and to close and Canada just is not large enough in terms of population to do anything about it. As for Canada’s industry it was and is set u in such a way that it is tightly integrated with the US and often needs equipment or sub assemblies from the US or provides the same to the US. So with the US against them the industry In Canada is going to be a lot less useful.
As for invading. The way the roads and railroads are interconnected it is going to be open for Esther side to easily invade the other.
So once the US gets the ball rolling Canada is doomed. And it would not perticularly surpise me if Canada sees that and declares its independence from England and goes full on neutral. Or if the US does have to invade I would not be surprised if Montreal uses that to break off from Canada.

So without US raw materials and food and without US financing and without Canada and pretty much any other American (north or South) support France and England will fall and they will fall relatively soon. It may take a year or two but it won’t be the long drawn out war it was. As the US enabled France and England a lot before they entered the way.


Now if you want a more “realistic “ POD that results in the US entering the way but not on day one. Then just have the US insist on its right to trade non war materials with Germany and to trade anything they want with neutral country’s and you have all sorts of opritunity for the US and the Royal Navy to come to blows. Frankly the US never did truly act like a neutral country in WW1 from the very first. They let England and France get away with all sorts of stuff from the Blockaid to cutting the cables to controlling the news to ultimately getting loans that highly effected the US interest in the war. And the odd part is that at the time a huge percentage of the US was culturally closer to Germany then it ever was with France and generally then it was with England.
 

Riain

Banned
Assuming the early phases of the war play out as they did IOTL, France can't increase steel production because the Germans have overrun most of their ore areas.

There is a big gap between can't increase steel production and surrender instantly or within months. In September 1914 France will still have a lot of fight left as the lines stabilize. France will fight with what is available to her and won't surrender until these resources are exhausted, and if that means fighting with less steel products then she will do that until it is proven to be futile in 6-12 months.

In the end the Entente will lose, but rapid defeats ate bought about by armies in the field. Supply starvation is a much slower process, effective to be sure, but slow.
 

Lusitania

Donor
Two major issues with most of the posts here. It is assumed that within 3-6 months the US will single handily win the war.

As some have suggested the USN and US army will need to gear up and produce tons of weapons and movecthe economy to war footing. The US will not have the advantage of 3 years of US factories producing weapons for the Allies. They will be starting from scratch. So it will take longer for the US due to it not having as large of standing army and such.

BUT no one has provided a reason for the US to join the war. A POD of 1900???

So we have a world going exactly just like iOTL with the US having very good relations with the British and French then bam they the enemy and we at war in 1914. How? did someone spike all of America’s drinking water?

I was thinking we trying to recreate the turtledove ACW scenario. But no we also seem to have also illuminated the great isolation mindset in most Americans.
 
There is a big gap between can't increase steel production and surrender instantly or within months. In September 1914 France will still have a lot of fight left as the lines stabilize. France will fight with what is available to her and won't surrender until these resources are exhausted, and if that means fighting with less steel products then she will do that until it is proven to be futile in 6-12 months.

In the end the Entente will lose, but rapid defeats ate bought about by armies in the field. Supply starvation is a much slower process, effective to be sure, but slow.

I was responding to the proposition that France could somehow boost domestic steel production to offset the loss of the United States.

To your central point, however, that's categorically false. If the French are unable to meet the requirements of their war machine, then they will rapidly collapse simply because they become unable to wage war. France may wish to continue fighting, certainly, but all she is going to achieve is disaster on the battlefield if she doesn't have artillery and expects her fighting men to somehow fight on with spears and a lack of food. Nor would this be a long process to appear, either, as IOTL shelling of the railways from Bethune in 1918 was sufficient to cause supply disruptions.
 
Assuming the early phases of the war play out as they did IOTL, France can't increase steel production because the Germans have overrun most of their ore areas.

Agreed. However, I was trying to elaborate that even if France could find the capabilities replacing imports and removing offensives would create "lag time" that fundimentally undermines the Entente position. So, even assuming the new dice rolls go more in France's direction the proposed policy isent effective
 

Riain

Banned
I was responding to the proposition that France could somehow boost domestic steel production to offset the loss of the United States.

To your central point, however, that's categorically false. If the French are unable to meet the requirements of their war machine, then they will rapidly collapse simply because they become unable to wage war. France may wish to continue fighting, certainly, but all she is going to achieve is disaster on the battlefield if she doesn't have artillery and expects her fighting men to somehow fight on with spears and a lack of food. Nor would this be a long process to appear, either, as IOTL shelling of the railways from Bethune in 1918 was sufficient to cause supply disruptions.

How much steel did France import from the USA and Canada up to August 1915?
 
How much steel did France import from the USA and Canada up to August 1915?

That I do not know admittedly and would have to research; we do know that by 1918 they were importing 30 times their 1913 imports. Give me a few days and I'll get back to you.
 
In 1914, if no significant changes occur due to the PoD, the US is a military pygmy with significant trouble on the southern border. Hard choices would have to be made regarding the deployment of the 3 division Army and the 12 division NG which was in worse condition than the British territorial force.

The real game changer would be the USN which would dominate the western Atlantic and totally nullify the RNs superiority in conjunction with the HSF.
Time for Canada to reclaim it's Lost Territories!!


I don't know about August 1914 but having the UK and France successfully pull their US investments in 1914 (i.e. no McAdoo decreed stock market shutdown) devastating the weak US economy would help swing opinion, perhaps exacerbated by incidents involving US flagged ships travelling to CP ports and the (dubiously legal) British ;distant blockade', might trigger US intervention.
 

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My comment on comparing Canada and Russia was based on weather not distance. While I know the cities are relatively close they are spread out causing the US to spread themselves out to launch multiple offensives. Still not easy for the US.
 
  1. Such a situation is unlikely at best; OTL the US joined the war due to an increasingly desperate (navally, at least) Germany engaging in tactics that the US repeatedly told them not to and hitting US shipping, and a massive British propaganda effort coupled with catastrophically poor German diplomacy. What's needed is something like:
    1. Germany waits to DOW until France does and doesn't go through Belgium.
    2. This causes the US to not financially support the Entente as much and to view the CP as the aggrieved party.
    3. Britain shoots themselves in the ass by shooting up American ships attempting to trade with Germany despite a British attempt at a blockade.
    4. Tensions spike and the Americans demand an apology on the spot. Britain, again shooting themselves in the ass, refuses.
    5. In this volatile situation the British AGAIN shoot themselves in the ass by telling Mexico "hey you want to divide up the USA? We get the north of Maine and Washington and parts of New York and the northern West, you get to digest the old Mexican Cession lol". America DOWs on the spot in the face of this naked imperialism.
  2. In such a situation, the war would be over in a year, tops, with Canada taken pretty quickly by the USA and either kept as a protectorate with a plebiscite scheduled for 25 years down the line, or released as a puppet republic.
Extremely unlikely under even the most favorable of circumstances, but by the early 20th century the US was basically an "I win" button for any major European war. Whoever gets America wins. Whoever gets America's tacit support (i.e. trade) also likely wins.
 

Lusitania

Donor
  1. Such a situation is unlikely at best; OTL the US joined the war due to an increasingly desperate (navally, at least) Germany engaging in tactics that the US repeatedly told them not to and hitting US shipping, and a massive British propaganda effort coupled with catastrophically poor German diplomacy. What's needed is something like:
    1. Germany waits to DOW until France does and doesn't go through Belgium.
    2. This causes the US to not financially support the Entente as much and to view the CP as the aggrieved party.
    3. Britain shoots themselves in the ass by shooting up American ships attempting to trade with Germany despite a British attempt at a blockade.
    4. Tensions spike and the Americans demand an apology on the spot. Britain, again shooting themselves in the ass, refuses.
    5. In this volatile situation the British AGAIN shoot themselves in the ass by telling Mexico "hey you want to divide up the USA? We get the north of Maine and Washington and parts of New York and the northern West, you get to digest the old Mexican Cession lol". America DOWs on the spot in the face of this naked imperialism.
  2. In such a situation, the war would be over in a year, tops, with Canada taken pretty quickly by the USA and either kept as a protectorate with a plebiscite scheduled for 25 years down the line, or released as a puppet republic.
Extremely unlikely under even the most favorable of circumstances, but by the early 20th century the US was basically an "I win" button for any major European war. Whoever gets America wins. Whoever gets America's tacit support (i.e. trade) also likely wins.

But the British involment was caused by Germany violating Belgium neutrality. We have actually had a few threads about what happens to British if Germany avoids Belgium and instead attacks France directly.

So no German invasion of Belgium delays British declaration of wAr.
 
But the British involment was caused by Germany violating Belgium neutrality. We have actually had a few threads about what happens to British if Germany avoids Belgium and instead attacks France directly.

So no German invasion of Belgium delays British declaration of wAr.
By like two months. Britain would still inevitably intervene, as soon as they found a pretext.
 

Lusitania

Donor
By like two months. Britain would still inevitably intervene, as soon as they found a pretext.
Like I said there would of been delay, what that translates into not sure. But like the US they needed an excuse to intervene. So anything is possible.
 
Canada's gone, submerged by US forces before the British can blink. I could see western Canada annexed in order for Alaska to finally have a land bridge to connect the far-away territory with the continental US. It would also allow the US to obtain resources in western Canada such as the Albertan reserves and lumber for the war effort.

Meanwhile, the US doesn't really have to introduce its forces into Europe; they can serve as a deterrence in the North Atlantic and the West Pacific whilst Germany and company can bombard Europe.
 
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