AHC: Celtic Union

WILDGEESE

Gone Fishin'
Can you source that? I mean that in itself has all sorts of interesting alt hist potential if true.

WIKIPEDIA- Geneticist Stephen Oppenheimer (no relation) researched the Y chromosone's in British people for Anglo Saxon inheritence

plus research Celtic genetics in British people.

Hope this has helped

Regards filer
 

Sycamore

Banned
You can't have a United Celtic Nations without England, as England in itself is from Celtic descent.

This Anglo-Jute-Saxon "bull shine" is from certain people in England who have run the country since the Norman conquest portraying us as from German stock when in fact very little of English DNA is is German.

Most if not 90% of English DNA is from Celtic origin. It's the "toff's" and "chinless wonders" trying to make out that we're different to the rest of the peoples of the British Isles.

Just imagine how the nations of Britain would've got on better without this poppycock.

Regards filer.

Fine, fine. BTW, I did say in the OP that "This Celtic Nation must also exclude England (or the majority thereof)"; thus, so long the Celtic Nation possesses less than 50% of the territory which comprises OTL's England, then it'd still be admissible. Effectively, all you'd have to do would be to have it exclude the English lowlands zone, and you'd be there.

map1654-highlands-lowlands-intermediate-zone.jpg
 
Easy

Buy the game Eu3, load and save a bunch of times and conquer the England as Ireland.

:)

Oh and don't forget to enact a strong settlement policy on London.

EU3_1.jpg
 
Scotland's self-image as a Celtic nation is historically inaccurate. Highlanders were Celtic, lowlanders were Germanic. For most of Scotland's history under that name, it has been controlled by the Germanic lowlanders.

I assume it also depends on what you mean by "Celtic". Celtic-speaking or descendants of Celtic-speakers? The English-speaking areas of Scotland are probably populated by people that are a mix of earlier Celtic- and English-speaking groups, maybe their ancestors even were majority Celtic speakers who were gradually anglified.
 
You can't have a United Celtic Nations without England, as England in itself is from Celtic descent.

This Anglo-Jute-Saxon "bull shine" is from certain people in England who have run the country since the Norman conquest portraying us as from German stock when in fact very little of English DNA is is German.

Most if not 90% of English DNA is from Celtic origin. It's the "toff's" and "chinless wonders" trying to make out that we're different to the rest of the peoples of the British Isles.

Just imagine how the nations of Britain would've got on better without this poppycock.

Regards filer.

It's nothing so insidious. It's quite simply the description of the cultures of England as given by Bede which were then interpreted by the Victorians in the context of their own flawed conceptions of race and culture. The idea then came about of an invasion that supplanted the Celts in England entirely, rather than a cultural assimilation leaving the island predominantly Celtic in its genetics and Germanic in its culture, since the Victorians couldn't conceive of race and culture being separate.
 

WILDGEESE

Gone Fishin'
But obviously, this is an issue of language/culture and not genetics. Otherwise many mainland Europeans would be "Celtic" as well.

Both France & Spain have Celtic Links, such as Brittany in France.

The Celtic Genome goes in an arc across Western Europe from Galacia in Spain through France and into Ireland.

Regards filer.
 
Both France & Spain have Celtic Links, such as Brittany in France.

The Celtic Genome goes in an arc across Western Europe from Galacia in Spain through France and into Ireland.

Regards filer.

Brittany is far from the only French region where the population is largely of Celtic ancestry (as genetic studies have shown). It just happens to be the only region where a Celtic language survived.
 
I didn't include Ireland in my calculation because it isn't part of the UK :)

Interesting that there were so many people in Ireland at that time, though. I am surprised it was as many as that. Apparently in the 18th century the Irish population doubled from 2 million to 4 million, so it looks like it must have doubled again by 1841. Amazing population expansion. Sadly though Ireland had been brutally ruled by the English oppressor for centuries by this point. The English were abominable in the way they treated the Irish.


Population of Ireland and England, 1700-1970
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http://wiki.dickinson.edu/index.php/History_of_Irish_Depopulation:_1815-1913
 
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