AHC:Canadian New York and New England

Your challenge here is too give the state of New York and New England to Canada after 1700

BONUS points if you can give them the northwest the Midwest and Oregon too
 
If the American Revolution is butterflied away, British North America is effectively OTL Canada, although the name might be different. If we have some natural disaster that wipes out New York City, the capital might be moved north while the city rebuilds and if recondutrction takers too long, the temporary capital becomes home.

Or heck, make the American Revolution not about taxes but when Britain tries to ban the slave trade.

In the War of 1812, the British might peel away Ohio, the Louisiana purchase, Michigan, or even Maine, but New York is a tough sell, unless there is a rebellion in NY while there is a war going on.
 
Essentially, you'd need to keep the Revolution from happening, and then split up British America into a Northern and Southern dominion at the traditional free-slave lines (Mason-Dixon Line, Ohio River, etc.). Obviously, that gives Canada more than just the northeastern American states.

By that point, however, this Northern Dominion is far less Canada as you'd know it, and far more the Northern USA in cultural terms - just with a British monarch as head of state, and that happens to include OTL Canada within its borders. Precisely because the "Canadian" national identity wouldn't develop as an us-vs-them scenario vs Americans, and thus the settlers (who WON'T be in a mass movement and self-aware of why, but instead a far more gradual colonization with no greater reasoning than "free land!") moving into OTL English Canada would never consider themselves as anything but American, the way Ohioans and Indianans do. The vast majority of "Canada" as you propose in this scenario would be living in the area of OTL America, tilting weight and culture and economy to those areas even if *Canadian provinces will be prosperous as in reality.

Your best bet for the northeast is just northern Maine, maybe eastern Maine too if Britain can grab it in the Revolution and combine northern/eastern Maine into the proposed New Ireland.
 
Essentially, you'd need to keep the Revolution from happening, and then split up British America into a Northern and Southern dominion at the traditional free-slave lines (Mason-Dixon Line, Ohio River, etc.). Obviously, that gives Canada more than just the northeastern American states.

By that point, however, this Northern Dominion is far less Canada as you'd know it, and far more the Northern USA in cultural terms - just with a British monarch as head of state, and that happens to include OTL Canada within its borders. Precisely because the "Canadian" national identity wouldn't develop as an us-vs-them scenario vs Americans, and thus the settlers (who WON'T be in a mass movement and self-aware of why, but instead a far more gradual colonization with no greater reasoning than "free land!") moving into OTL English Canada would never consider themselves as anything but American, the way Ohioans and Indianans do. The vast majority of "Canada" as you propose in this scenario would be living in the area of OTL America, tilting weight and culture and economy to those areas even if *Canadian provinces will be prosperous as in reality.

Your best bet for the northeast is just northern Maine, maybe eastern Maine too if Britain can grab it in the Revolution and combine northern/eastern Maine into the proposed New Ireland.

Basically your scenario reminds me of THIS little TL in terms of a Northern US/New England+NY Dominion that also happens to be called Canada.
 
Basically your scenario reminds me of THIS little TL in terms of a Northern US/New England+NY Dominion that also happens to be called Canada.

Yes, very much this, I remember this little scenario as well.

Canada as a name would never work for such a Northern Dominion, because 'Canada' originally applied to Quebec, and then both Upper and Lower Canada together - it's exactly like naming the ENTIRE Dominion New England. Especially if the capital's in New York or Philly.
 
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