AHC: Can Baldwin IV solve his succession problem?

Baldwin IV of Jerusalem may well have been the single greatest badass the Crusaders ever produced: not only did he beat the hell out of Saladin while still a teenager, but he did it while being eaten alive with leprosy. As a leper, though, he was fated to die young (he died at 23 or 24 and even that was beating expectations) and he had no children. His heirs apparent were his two sisters Sybilla and Isabella, both of whom had plausible claims on the throne and both of whom were married to weak noblemen.

IOTL, Baldwin tried to square this circle by naming his nephew as his successor and appointing a strong regent. But the nephew, Baldwin V, lived only a year longer than he did, dying at the age of nine. Sybilla and her husband Guy of Lusignan then maneuvered their way into power, creating dissension and rifts within the Frankish nobility that resulted in the collapse of the truce with Saladin and the defeat at Hattin.

But suppose that Baldwin decided not to appoint his nephew - after all, he was a boy, and regencies are always periods of contention and weakness - and instead went outside the royal family to name a strong adult as the next king? There were several possible candidates and, after all, the Kingdom of Jerusalem was nominally an elective monarchy in which the Haut Cour could select the next king from outside the ruling dynasty.

The first question, obviously, is whether Baldwin would have been strong enough to pull it off. I suspect he would have - though he was clearly dying by then, he had powerful supporters and his victories gave him a great deal of moral authority. If so, what happens next? Would a King Raymond or a King Balian, for instance, have been able to prevent Reynald of Chatillon from breaking the truce or at least to fight Saladin on better ground? Would the next succession, carrying the possibility of a contentious succession among a much wider field, have been a breaking point? Assuming that the K of J did manage to survive past Saladin's death in 1193, how long could it have forestalled inevitable defeat at the hands of the Ayyubids or Mamelukes?
 
Raymond would be supported by the major barons of the kingdom, after all he was the king's nearest relative in the male line. However, I think that such a bold action may cause a rift in the kingdom as damaging as having good old useless Guy as king.
 
Raymond would be supported by the major barons of the kingdom, after all he was the king's nearest relative in the male line. However, I think that such a bold action may cause a rift in the kingdom as damaging as having good old useless Guy as king.
I agree. At this point massive assistance from the West is needed. Had Sybilla not married Guy, she could have been married to some more prestigious western prince.
 
Out of curiosity, might Baldwin IV take it on himself to marry? Granted, there would still be a struggle for the regency, but the regents wouldn't necessarily be the same as those for Sibilla's son, surely.

Otherwise, is there not someone (like Raymond/Raymond's son and heir) in Jerusalem that one of Baldwin's sisters could be married to as a way of shoring up the royal family's power?
 
Richard Coeur de Lion. I wonder what would happen if his older brother didn't die,would he have accepted the offer of a crown?IOTL,I remember him being offered the crown at one point.Aside from his nephew,the Plantagenets as fellow Angevins were the closest male relatives.
 
Richard Coeur de Lion. I wonder what would happen if his older brother didn't die,would he have accepted the offer of a crown?IOTL,I remember him being offered the crown at one point. Aside from his nephew,the Plantagenets as fellow Angevins were the closest male relatives.
No, the Plantagenets had not rights on the crown of Jerusalemn. The wedding contract of Fulk and Melisende explicity barred any children from his first wife from the crown of Jerusalem, reserving it only to the descendants of Melisende. If Baldwin had to exclude both his sisters (but really he had not reason or precedent for doing it, and not marrying Isabella to her OTL husband or dissolving that wedding and make her heiress will be easy) then Raymond will be the heir.
Dissolving Sybilla and Guy marriage is much harder because Sybilla was really in love with him, but poisoning him is possible if you really need to get rid of him
 
No, the Plantagenets had not rights on the crown of Jerusalemn. The wedding contract of Fulk and Melisende explicity barred any children from his first wife from the crown of Jerusalem, reserving it only to the descendants of Melisende. If Baldwin had to exclude both his sisters (but really he had not reason or precedent for doing it, and not marrying Isabella to her OTL husband or dissolving that wedding and make her heiress will be easy) then Raymond will be the heir.
Dissolving Sybilla and Guy marriage is much harder because Sybilla was really in love with him, but poisoning him is possible if you really need to get rid of him
Except the nobles themselves disliked the current heirs so much that they don't seem to mind about this.During Patriarch Heraclius' trips to Europe,he deliberately tried to find a suitable king among the European princes and offered them the throne.Everyone turned down the offer.What seems to be important was that the nobles in Outremer really needed someone from Europe who has the military credentials and is able to gather international support.Assuming Henry the Young king is alive and Richard is willing to exchange Aquitaine in exchange for a crown,I guess the Jerusalemite nobles might be willing to take him in if Baldwin tries to get a better male heir.The marriage contract of Fulk and Melisende might have excluded the mainline Angevins from the throne,but as far as Baldwin is concerned,Richard is probably the closest male relative from his house who's actually a brilliant commander not to mention have the necessary connections in Europe.

Indeed,the nobles of Outremer did in fact have a past history of excluding the closest relative of a king in exchange for a more competent ruler.That's how Baldwin II came to the throne.Guy will probably be murdered and Sybilla gets married to Richard.
 
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Except the nobles themselves disliked the current heirs so much that they don't seem to mind about this. During Patriarch Heraclius' trips to Europe,he deliberately tried to find a suitable king among the European princes and offered them the throne.Everyone turned down the offer.What seems to be important was that the nobles in Outremer really needed someone from Europe who has the military credentials and is able to gather international support.Assuming Henry the Young king is alive and Richard is willing to exchange Aquitaine in exchange for a crown,I guess the Jerusalemite nobles might be willing to take him in if Baldwin tries to get a better male heir.The marriage contract of Fulk and Melisende might have excluded the mainline Angevins from the throne,but as far as Baldwin is concerned,Richard is probably the closest male relative from his house who's actually a brilliant commander not to mention have the necessary connections in Europe.

Indeed,the nobles of Outremer did in fact have a past history of excluding the closest relative of a king in exchange for a more competent ruler.That's how Baldwin II came to the throne.Guy will probably be murdered and Sybilla gets married to Richard.

If Heraclius was searching a king for Jerusalem in Europe, he was searching military help and a crusade and is unlikely he really offered the crown to anyone and if he had make some offer that included surely Sybilla or Isabella as bride
 
If Heraclius was searching a king for Jerusalem in Europe, he was searching military help and a crusade and is unlikely he really offered the crown to anyone and if he had make some offer that included surely Sybilla or Isabella as bride
Most likely that will happen as well.
 
Actually, after William of Montferrat died, Sibylla was to marry Baldwin of Ibelin whom she was in love with, but he got captured by Saladin. Baldwin was eventually released against the promise of a ransom, but by the time he had gathered the money and returned to Jerusalem, Guy de Lusignan had preceded him. The Baldwin match was also supported by Count Raymond of Tripoli and Prince Bohémond of Antioch but the unfortunate capture of Baldwin derailled a plan that looked as a palace coup as Raymond sought to reduce the influence of the Lusignan faction, not unlike in the movie Kingdom of Heaven. Basically, Baldwin would have been regent for Baldwin V before being king in full right as Baldwin VI.
Given his proximity to Raymond of Tripoli, it's likely he would have avoided direct confrontation with Saladin, preventing a Hattin like disaster from happening. Then, he would just have to wait Saladin's death to see the unity of the Ayyubid Sultanate to collapse and the immediate danger on Jerusalem disappearing for a while.
 
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