Not possible with a pod 1450.With a POD no earlier than 1450 have the Byzantine's survive the 15th century and possibly reconquer.
Impossible, post 1204 the Byzantine Empire is dead for all intents and purposes and you require ASB for them to recover. If the Turks are less successful someone else will finish them off, be that Bulgars or Serbs.
So maybe a more fatal defeat of the Ottomans by Tamerlane earlier ?Not possible with a pod 1450.
I would have to disagree with you.
The Ottomans had a smaller base to go on in 1300 than the Romans had in 1265.
If we go by OTL meaning everything that happened to Romans happens like OTL, yes you are correct. But ATL does not work that way.
The OTL Ottomans who went from zero in 1300 to a world power in 2 centuries or the good/great leaders they had in those 200+ year span may even appear in ERE instead.
By your logic OTL Ottomans are ASB or your logic makes Ottomans the only nation that can do that in any timeline or multiverse that they can have successful 1204-1500s but the Romans cannot.
I don't think that's in the cards for the empire in the long run honestly. Mehmed was obsessed with taking Constantinople from the moment he ascended to the throne, he would have jumped at any excuse to take it once he felt the Ottoman Beylik was ready. The Romans were surrounded on all sides by the Ottomans and their walls were becoming increasingly obsolete in the wake of cannon technology. Some Ottoman Sultan sooner or later, even if Mehmed somehow fails, is going to finish the empire off.It could survive as a vassal of the Ottoman Empire. It has to accept its diminished status and avoid any scheming with the Christian kingdoms. Of course it's hard for a once-great empire to accept that, but it could.
I don't think that's in the cards for the empire in the long run honestly. Mehmed was obsessed with taking Constantinople from the moment he ascended to the throne, he would have jumped at any excuse to take it once he felt the Ottoman Beylik was ready. The Romans were surrounded on all sides by the Ottomans and their walls were becoming increasingly obsolete in the wake of cannon technology. Some Ottoman Sultan sooner or later, even if Mehmed somehow fails, is going to finish the empire off.
Impossible, post 1204 the Byzantine Empire is dead for all intents and purposes and you require ASB for them to recover. If the Turks are less successful someone else will finish them off, be that Bulgars or Serbs.
But the problem with that is that it doesn't guarantee Roman safety. They can hide behind their walls for a few decades more, but as cannons become cheaper and more efficent they're going to become obsolete. There's not really much they can do to defend themselves unless either some unlikely mega-Crusade happens that completely kicks the Ottomans out of Europe and all of this is if (this is a big if) Mehmed tries to take Constantinople and fails. The Romans at this point are surrounded by the Ottomans on all sides, they're located within the heartland of the Ottoman Beylik. They don't have much diplomatic or military flexibility anymore by 1450.This however, increases the chances of the Ottomans losing a war to a neighbor in the Islamic world. The Aq Qoyunlyu to the east are a possible foe as well as the Burji Mamluks to the south. Not to mention eventual development in the east that could always produce efficient foes to bring decimation to the Ottoman Asian holdings.
By your logic OTL Ottomans are ASB or your logic makes Ottomans the only nation that can do that in any timeline or multiverse that they can have successful 1204-1500s but the Romans cannot.
The fate of Constantinople will need to be resolved. Let's say Epirus or Bulgaria captures it. This ensures western counter attacks, if they happen, will not affect Nicaea. Long story short, Byzantine successor states continue to exist in the region, possibly indefinitely. With Nicaea surviving unchanged, the Ottomans never happen.
Wouldn't Epirus count as a restored Empire? They did try to take the city before Nicaea historically and got quite close before the Bulgarians intervened, so it's not that implausible for them to take Constantinople.Personally that doesn't leave the Byzantines alive, that leaves successor states, sure Nicaea, Epirus, Morea and Trebizond were still waddling along, but without Constantinople any claim to Empire was merely that just a claim. This is why the Nicaeans were so obsessed with getting it back, because of the prestige it had.
Wouldn't Epirus count as a restored Empire? They did try to take the city before Nicaea historically and got quite close before the Bulgarians intervened, so it's not that implausible for them to take Constantinople.
Impossible, post 1204 the Byzantine Empire is dead for all intents and purposes and you require ASB for them to recover. If the Turks are less successful someone else will finish them off, be that Bulgars or Serbs.
I think the civil wars of the mid-XIV century were the true point of no return. Up through the reign of Andronikos III the empire still had a chance. After the fallout of the civil wars, it could only survive as a vassal of some stronger power.
Not possible with a pod 1450.
I would have to disagree with you.
The Ottomans had a smaller base to go on in 1300 than the Romans had in 1265.
If we go by OTL meaning everything that happened to Romans happens like OTL, yes you are correct. But ATL does not work that way.
The OTL Ottomans who went from zero in 1300 to a world power in 2 centuries or the good/great leaders they had in those 200+ year span may even appear in ERE instead.
By your logic OTL Ottomans are ASB or your logic makes Ottomans the only nation that can do that in any timeline or multiverse that they can have successful 1204-1500s but the Romans cannot.
So the only realistic POD is their complete destruction at Ankara (1402) and collapse of their state in the following civil war
Even this doesn't make any difference imo. After 1354 the Byzantines didn't have any significant territory left. By that point, whatever happens to the Ottomans doesn't even matter much. The Byzantines had become an irrelevance. The only players were the Turks, the Serbs, the Bulgarians and the western Europeans.