AHC: British Royals forced to flee to N. America, return to liberate Britain by force

My challenge, the British Isles are conquered by a hostile foreign power and some royals manage to flee to the colonies and set up a government in exile. Eventually British North America gets powerful enough to launch a great transatlantic invasion to liberated their oppressed brethren. Is their any possible way for this to happen?
 
Thandes : Look to the West series is pretty good, and think its about the most realisitc style of fleeing British "Monarch" to the Americas.....butthe onl other way is if you keep the Colonies in line until the Napoleonic wars, but if the colonies never rebelled, Napoleon mihg tnot have come to power besides....plus Europe..easier to flee too
 
Thandes : Look to the West series is pretty good, and think its about the most realisitc style of fleeing British "Monarch" to the Americas.....butthe onl other way is if you keep the Colonies in line until the Napoleonic wars, but if the colonies never rebelled, Napoleon mihg tnot have come to power besides....plus Europe..easier to flee too

That was a civil war, hardly the same thing.
 
OK here goes:

POD: Nelson misses the French / Spanish fleet at Trafalger and the fleet sails unmolested into La Rocshel harbour intacked. Napoleon leaves the fleet there and doesn't strip it for artillary troops.

September 1810: A hurricane (similar to the storm of 1987) sweeps over England and destroys the home fleet, 70% of ships are lost (including Nelson's flag ship) with all hands.

Napoleon now calls on what forces he has close at hand and mounts an invasion of Britain. The French fleet is more than enough to hold off the remnants of the Royal Navy and the French land in Sussex.

The British are defeated in the Battle of Crawley and the French are at the gates of London by the end of September. George III and the regent flee Winsor and head north to Birmingham along with the remainder of the army.

After taking Portsmouth Napoeon returns to London and crowns himself King.

A second battle, just outside Wolverhampton leaves the British Army in tatters. The royal party along with 20,000 troops flee towards Liverpool. Here they are met by the Medeterainian fleet and loaded onto the ships bound for Canada.

Napoleon has free reign with the rest of the UK and by January has French trrops in every large town. Ill feeling in the monarcy reachs a height in the UK.

Mean while the US takes advantage of the British loses and invades Canada (similar to the 1812 War), but is driven back when the royal party arrives in Canada. In a series of clashs the British forces first drive the Americans out of Canada then invade New England. Here they are greeted with jubilation.

etc.
 
That was a civil war, hardly the same thing.

There was a moment there during the war with the French Latin Republic that almost led to the fall of the British Islands.

What if, instead of being driven out of Britain, the French and the English Germanic Republic drive the Royals and their forces out of the Home Islands and leave for the North American Empire, or Canada, or both....... the rename said Empire to the Holy Britannian Empire.:p
 
There was a moment there during the war with the French Latin Republic that almost led to the fall of the British Islands.

What if, instead of being driven out of Britain, the French and the English Germanic Republic drive the Royals and their forces out of the Home Islands and leave for the North American Empire, or Canada, or both....... the rename said Empire to the Holy Britannian Empire.:p
I doubt the NAE would have the strength to drive out the French once they occupied the whole country.

Which is part of the problem; the North American colonies lacked the manpower to invade the motherland until well after the point at which they ceased to be colonies. Not to mention the possibilities of naval supply lines and the like.

The best you could hope for against a foreign invader would be a Brazil-esque situation, where the Royal Family flees and then the invaders are driven out with the help of a more powerful European alliance.
 
I doubt the NAE would have the strength to drive out the French once they occupied the whole country.

Which is part of the problem; the North American colonies lacked the manpower to invade the motherland until well after the point at which they ceased to be colonies. Not to mention the possibilities of naval supply lines and the like.

The best you could hope for against a foreign invader would be a Brazil-esque situation, where the Royal Family flees and then the invaders are driven out with the help of a more powerful European alliance.

OP didn't specify that the Home Islands has to be retaken immediately, they could retake it in the 19th or 20th centuries.
 
OP didn't specify that the Home Islands has to be retaken immediately, they could retake it in the 19th or 20th centuries.

Sure, but the longer you wait, the less interested either the Americans become in the "liberation" or the Home Islands have in being "liberated."

I mean, after a century has gone by, would the British even see the old family as theirs? Presumably they have developed some sort of new institutions over this time period, and everyone who remembers the Ancien Regime is dead. Combine this with the rise of nationalism (and remember, an America that remained separated from Britain would likely develop its own national identity) and by the time America was strong enough to launch such an invasion, I doubt there would be support for it on either side of the Atlantic.
 
Sure, but the longer you wait, the less interested either the Americans become in the "liberation" or the Home Islands have in being "liberated."

I mean, after a century has gone by, would the British even see the old family as theirs? Presumably they have developed some sort of new institutions over this time period, and everyone who remembers the Ancien Regime is dead. Combine this with the rise of nationalism (and remember, an America that remained separated from Britain would likely develop its own national identity) and by the time America was strong enough to launch such an invasion, I doubt there would be support for it on either side of the Atlantic.

Hmm, point taken, but it would pretty interesting, a Americas based British-American Empire, and maybe a Spanish and French Empires-in-exile and a somewhat (Thade's LTTW Republics, UPSA not inclided is like a combination of Reign of Terror France and Nazi Germany) Republican Europe.
 
OK here goes:

POD: Nelson misses the French / Spanish fleet at Trafalger and the fleet sails unmolested into La Rocshel harbour intacked. Napoleon leaves the fleet there and doesn't strip it for artillary troops.

September 1810: A hurricane (similar to the storm of 1987) sweeps over England and destroys the home fleet, 70% of ships are lost (including Nelson's flag ship) with all hands.

Napoleon now calls on what forces he has close at hand and mounts an invasion of Britain. The French fleet is more than enough to hold off the remnants of the Royal Navy and the French land in Sussex.
1/ The British left that French fleet unmolested for five years?
2/ Napoleon didn't raid it for manpower?!?
3/ Considering the state that it was already in by Trafalgar, and the shortage of naval stores in France, after five more years in harbour that fleet is going to be pretty useless.
4/ If that fleet is still in harbour and still seems a potential threat then a significant British force is going to be out there blockading it, just as the French fleets in other ports were blockaded during those wars, rather than in home waters when the hurricane strikes... and if the hurricane strikes the blockading squadron instead of those in home waters then, even if it doesn't damage the anchored Franco-Spanish fleet too, the squadrons in home waters will be undamaged and ready and waiting when the invasion force sets sail. You're evidently unaware of how many warships the Royal Navy had, compared to its enemies.
 
Sure, but the longer you wait, the less interested either the Americans become in the "liberation" or the Home Islands have in being "liberated."

I mean, after a century has gone by, would the British even see the old family as theirs? Presumably they have developed some sort of new institutions over this time period, and everyone who remembers the Ancien Regime is dead. Combine this with the rise of nationalism (and remember, an America that remained separated from Britain would likely develop its own national identity) and by the time America was strong enough to launch such an invasion, I doubt there would be support for it on either side of the Atlantic.

Irredentist claims older than that have been fought for, and if there's a tyrannical foreign backed regime ruling Britain through terror (secret police, collective punishment, etc) than why not?
 
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