AHC: Britain becomes a US State

I've seen this WI being talked about elsewhere and I was wondering: what would be the best way for this to actually realistically happen? Could be one state or England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland can be individual states.

EDIT: would this be better as pre-1900? If so, you could discuss either After 1900 or Before 1900. Or this could be moved.
 

SsgtC

Banned
The ASB forum is ----------> way. Really isn't any way to get any part of the UK to join the US short of ASB intervention
 
You need a dystopia, where Britain is completely wrecked and Europe is worse; we're talking "Nazis and Soviets start throwing around biological weapons," levels of destruction.

It's basically impossible.
 

hammo1j

Donor
Maybe EU application turned down in 1973. UK Chooses to align with North American block. Much worse 1970s recession? Soviet strength and left wing governments in Europe. Better rights for NI Catholics mean no troubles alienating US Catholics . Monarchy do not reform. Mutual security pact.

Gradual joining of the US and UK reaches high point in 2015 and a referendum is held.

Unlikely, but not ASB, I believe.
 
The UK government is overthrown in an extreme left/right (delete as applicable ) coup. The royals flee. USA invades UK to stop country being used as staging post.
 
There's always the scenario of the novel 51st State. The UK leaevs the EU with catastrophic consequences, joins NAFTA and eventually the Home Nations become US states.
 
There was a timeline about this a while back the name escapes me but basically form what I can recall Wilson steps down in 1970 leading to peter shore becoming labour leader. He then becomes PM and takes the country down a radical left wing path of nationalisation, nuclear disarment, and withdrawal from NATO. The country starts to become ungovernable and the monarch leaves to Australia after a failed coup. Thatcher comes to power and the only way it can be put back together as Europe isn’t an option, having left, is to join as an American state. Though I do think it is ASB it was a good attempt at doing it in a plausible way.
 
Here's a crazy idea, America balkanizes shortly after the failure of the Constitution. In time, some of the American territories are given an outside threat that forces them to cooperate. This EU-esque organization is called the United States as a historical reference, Britain joins this organization later on.
 
You need a dystopia, where Britain is completely wrecked and Europe is worse; we're talking "Nazis and Soviets start throwing around biological weapons," levels of destruction.

It's basically impossible.

Not just that - a dystopia where the monarchy is well and truly discredited to the point where it's impossible to salvage. First salvo for that POD - while Edward VIII doesn't fall in love with Wallis Simpson, he does fall in love with someone who eventually helps make his position very compromised when it comes to the Nazis. And that's for starters.
 
Good grief! Let's not be throwing around ASB for things like this.

Wildly improbable? Sure. ASB? Nope.

As @Alternator says, it will require a dystopia. But perhaps not quite as bad as they posit.

The scenario I think is most plausible runs like this.
1) major European power takes over the continent. (This could be a competent extremist German regime, a Tukhashevsky led USSR, or wwiii immediately following WWII)
2) US is forced to intervene and suffers a million casualties or so.
3) US says 'never again', and declares a total monopoly on any advanced weapons. E.g. Jets, Abombs, etc. Anyone breaking the ban gets visited by InstaSun.
4) the US does allow new states, however, so e.g. Canada becomes 7 or 8 states. Rules for new states list maximimum and minimum population sizes, required literacy rates IN ENGLISH, minimum economic status, etc.

Under those circumstances, Britain will likely eventually cave and join as multiple states. Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and one or two states for England.
Mind, you might get the Netherlands or Norway joining before any part of the UK.
 
Why not have the U.S join the U.K. instead? Apologize for the American Revolution, rejoin the realm and become the 5th country of the United Kingdom. That wouldn't be so bad would it?
 
WW2 goes worse, Germany takes over, kills the entire royal family. The US liberates the country, but their government (both official and symbolic) is gone. Might as well join the US, but given the population they'd be more than one state unless the Nazi occupation is a mass death scenario.
 
The ASB forum is ----------> way. Really isn't any way to get any part of the UK to join the US short of ASB intervention

Nuclear War in the early '60s, and part of the New World Order is joining the USA for recovery

ASBs not really needed
 
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