AHC: Black Russian Tsar

How could a black Tsar accede to the throne of Russia?

Black includes Subsaharan African, South Indian, non-Austronesian Indonesian, Papua New Guinean, Australian Aborigine, and any diaspora of those populations.

POD must be later than 900. Russia must be Slavic.
 

Meerkat92

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How could a black Tsar accede to the throne of Russia?

Black includes Subsaharan African, South Indian, non-Austronesian Indonesian, Papua New Guinean, Australian Aborigine, and any diaspora of those populations.

POD must be later than 900. Russia must be Slavic.

Maybe Russia gains a Pacific colony in New Guinea, and becomes a tsarist government-in-exile, which later suffers a coub by an illegitimate child of the tsar-in-exile and a Papua New Guinean native? :p;):D

Other than that, I see no possible way this could happen otherwise...
 

Wolfpaw

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Interesting. Though he hadn't become a noble until after Peter's death.
While I think Abram Petrovich is a good call (not least due to his good relations with Suvorov), his son may be a better option. Ivan Abramovich Gannibal did rise to the rank of General en Chef, founded the city of Kherson and led an otherwise excellent career and seems to have been considered to be just as Rossysky as his fellow subjects.
 
Generally the best bet seems to be a marriage of the Tsar to a Amharic princess of Ethiopia/Abyssinia. That might happen as part of an alliance project directed against the Ottomans or during a general southern orientation instead of a Petrine western one. The best time would be between 1600 and 1800, before the advent of modern racial theories.
 
Generally the best bet seems to be a marriage of the Tsar to a Amharic princess of Ethiopia/Abyssinia. That might happen as part of an alliance project directed against the Ottomans or during a general southern orientation instead of a Petrine western one. The best time would be between 1600 and 1800, before the advent of modern racial theories.

Racism against blacks was never as strong in Russia as it was elsewhere in Europe. Imperial Russia sort of always saw Ethiopia as their brothers in the faith regardless of who the Ethiopians were.

This isn't to say the Russians were not racist, just they never had much serious contact with black Africans (that is to say, via colonialism in Africa) that would have spurred the development of such views.
 
This is the third thread I've seen you put up asking how a black person or group could form a culture or take a historically out of place role. I think it's funny and opens us up to analyzing race and culture, but what's up with that?
 
Let's have him be from Belarus too, to be a Black White Russian.:p

Even better she could be a black russian born in White Russia and Raised in Black Russia and Red Russian thus a black, White, Black and Red Russian.
 
This is the third thread I've seen you put up asking how a black person or group could form a culture or take a historically out of place role. I think it's funny and opens us up to analyzing race and culture, but what's up with that?
How's it different than any other AHCs about leaders or groups?

I also post a lot of threads asking about America, Mexico, Britain, and Spain expanding or conquering.
 
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Incognito

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Another option I haven’t seen mentioned yet: in the 19th century Russian Empire undergoes reforms (many potential PODs to choose from, including the popular “Alexander II avoids assassination”), revolution is avoided in the 20th century and Russian Tzar survives as a constitutional figure head much like the U.K.’s monarch. Ethiopian Empire surviving & becoming a stable prosperous African nation would be a bonus. A stable progressive Russia attracts immigrants and the nation becomes as multicultural as western European nations. Sometime in 20th or 21st century when the social attitudes adjust to people of other races, a Russian monarch marries a black individual (possibly, but not necessarily, an Ethiopian royal) and their son becomes Tzar.

There was a thread asking “would it be publicly acceptable for a British monarch to marry a black person” a while back in Chat, and people were saying “if the black person is of good standing & high social stature, most British people would probably not care” so maybe same situation can be created in a Russian Empire with constitutional monarchy.
Maybe have a Tsar meet and fall in love with a lightskinned Black Abkhazian and have a male child together.
Wow, I've never heard of Black Abkhazians before. That deserves a mention in the "things that look like alternative history" thread.
I need to use this guy in my TL:D (more likely his son, considering he's already very old by my POD).
Cool :). Which TL is that? The Time of Crows?
 
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