AHC: Black Dominated Communist CSA

Today's challenge is I think, an interesting one. In today's challenge, there has already been a POD. The CSA has managed to win it's independence, the means isn't necessarily important, but if you need to use whatever would be the most realistic means of the CSA achieving such.

Anywho, your challenge, should you accept it, is to have the CSA before or after 1900 to become a Communist state dominated by its black population. Bonus points if you can come up with a legitimate good reason that the US does not intervene, and bonus points if this Communist CSA forms its own variant of communism, rather than some sort of copy-pasta of Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism etc.
 
Let a copy of Das Kapital get across the Atlantic (English translation was done in 1887), getting popular in the poor parts of the population (predominantly black workers in factories, mines and plantations) and the few black and/or Anti-slavery intellectuals, leading to a popular revolt somewhere between 1895-1905 ... preempting Bolshevik capture of the Communist doctrine ... with no other country with this type of government, happening in a country that USA aren't to fond off, would leave them hands off, or at least not running to the defense of them.
 
I don't see it happening before the 1960's.
Maybe the Civil Rights movement would get more radical because of the Confederate racial opression, maybe they would flirt with the Soviets at the same time they flirted with Black nationalism/Islam. I suppose Trans-atlantic slave trade would restart in the south after the Civil War(Maybe ending in the 1880's or 1890's), so the black population would be even larger, maybe they would think like Mugabe on his early political career, perphaps some form of Pan-africanism adapted to the Americas(?).
 
When slavery finally ended, as well as if any other countries (say Russia, for instance) had successful communist revolutions, would have significant impact on this TL's probability. However, the main issue here is what percentage of the population blacks would make up. If they are a minority, especially a minority under 30%, I don't think they'd be able to keep a hold on power.
Now, if the CSA has a large Hispanic population, and the blacks are able to enlist them in the revolution, that might work, if there are a significant number of Hispanics in the eastern CSA.
Or, if the black revolutionaries are somehow able to enlist poor whites, and avoid post-revolution factionalism, I can see the revolution succeeding. (However, I always thought it was the majority of poor whites that kept blacks down for so long)

The black revolutionaries would also need to have extremely good organization and coordination across the CSA; otherwise, you have the failure of the black socialist rebellion like in TL-191.
 
Hmm. What about a rump CSA consisting of South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana? All of a sudden the demographics become a lot more plausible.
 
Let a copy of Das Kapital get across the Atlantic (English translation was done in 1887), getting popular in the poor parts of the population (predominantly black workers in factories, mines and plantations) and the few black and/or Anti-slavery intellectuals, leading to a popular revolt somewhere between 1895-1905 ... preempting Bolshevik capture of the Communist doctrine ... with no other country with this type of government, happening in a country that USA aren't to fond off, would leave them hands off, or at least not running to the defense of them.

Das Kapital is a very long, somewhat obscure, technical volume on economics. I don't think it's going to have the effect you think it will have.
 
Das Kapital is a very long, somewhat obscure, technical volume on economics. I don't think it's going to have the effect you think it will have.
He's right, have ti be the Communist Manifesto instead. The Manifesto was intended to be the document to rile up the working class with revolutionary language, while Das Kapital was more academic.
 
This could be interesting.

Lessee... For the following decade or two after the brutal ACW ends with a nasty stalemate/victory, economically and politically isolated CSA faces economic turmoil, motivating many white Southerners --low to middle income farmers and other professions that don't rely on large-scale slavery to function-- to emigrate to either the United States or elsewhere. (Maybe you get a contingent of CSA expats in Argentina or even Canada, those are colorful details.)

After all, the Europeans decided to rely on Plan B: cotton from Egypt, cotton from India, cotton from everywhere else except for the politically poisonous "slave-ocracy" of the CSA.

With the war over, some of the propoganda from the north is seeping in for some: non-wealthy Southern whites begin to see their economy as based on obsolete practices. Within ten to twenty years, thousands of these people get out while the getting is relatively good. There's plenty of space to start fresh with in the western USA, and Spanish isn't so difficult to learn as many emigrants discover. By the turn of the century, in South America, there are plenty of ex-Confederate farmers and factory-managers to be seen.

The trend of lower and middle income whites emigrating is self-sustaining: Rich owners of large plantations end up buying smaller properties to append to their own/expand operations. (This accelerates the consolidation of the vast majority of wealth belonging to the large-scale slave-owning planation-owners.) Enough folks are still buying CSA cotton --on the downlow or otherwise-- to make this worth their while.

With more and more white workers voting with their feet, some CSA pro-slavery enthusiasts, "on principle," re-open the slave trade. This is not impossible, what with West African infrastructure for slavery very much in place in the late 19th century.

Lessee... Fewer whites, more people brought into slavery...

More plantations perhaps relying on some "trustee" slaves to help with stock-counting and transit and what-not...

All you'd need is a Nat Turner to show up with an aggressively abridged Das Kapital to stoke up some sparks.

Or so I speculate.
 
Hmm. What about a rump CSA consisting of South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana? All of a sudden the demographics become a lot more plausible.
That's all I can see remaining in the CSA, because most of the border states would either return to the USA or Texas might possibly go independent, though more likely it too will return to the USA. A communist CSA is surprisingly possible. An oppressed minority fighting against a capitalistic majority? Sounds like all you need is a bunch of coordinated revolts.
 
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