AHC: Bigger Texas Republic

George Washington

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In 1836, the Texas army led by Sam Houston defeated the entire Mexican army via Suprise attack. They had wipped out Mexico's entire defense. Is it possible for Texas to take control of Mexico? Or maybe control of Nueva Mexico and Alta California?
 

Lirisa

Given that the northern regions were not as populated,I feel that would be within the cablites of Texas to control. Texas could perhaps find collaborators with the Mexican to help to secure a beneficial rule for the both.

Texas though would be plauged by rebellions by its anti-slavery Catholic populace. It's unlikely to me, that they would be able to secure rule the majority of Mexico.
 
GauchoBadger

GauchoBadger

If i remember correctly, the Texans had only attained a marginal victory at San Jacinto, and only because they had captured the Mexican head of state himself, Santa Anna. He was subsequently held hostage and bargained in exchange for Mexican recognition of Texan sovereignty over the rebel-controlled area, a provision that was deemed acceptable enough to the Mexican government as the territory of the Texan Republic remained rather small.
 
Iron_Lord

Iron_Lord

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Here we have the Texas republic. I could totally see them overrunning Much of the northern West region. Baja California Penensual could fall in later years.
 

George Washington

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GauchoBadger said:
If i remember correctly, the Texans had only attained a marginal victory at San Jacinto, and only because they had captured the Mexican head of state himself, Santa Anna. He was subsequently held hostage and bargained in exchange for Mexican recognition of Texan sovereignty over the rebel-controlled area, a provision that was deemed acceptable enough to the Mexican government as the territory of the Texan Republic remained rather small.
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In the Battle of San Jacinto, the Texans attacked while all of the Mexicans where sleeping. It lasted 18 minutes, with 41 Texan casualties (11 killed, 30 wounded) and 1158 Mexican causalities (650 killed, 208 wounded, 300 captured) Santa Ana was captured later that day. He had thrown all of the Mexican Army at Texas, who won in a massive upset.

Lirisa said:
Given that the northern regions were not as populated,I feel that would be within the cablites of Texas to control. Texas could perhaps find collaborators with the Mexican to help to secure a beneficial rule for the both.

Texas though would be plauged by rebellions by its anti-slavery Catholic populace. It's unlikely to me, that they would be able to secure rule the majority of Mexico.
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This is true.

Also, could/would Texas maintain independence or would they still join the U.S. in 1845. With all that territory, I would think independence would be a viable option, considering they have wounded Mexico. Would any other areas of Mexico, such as the Yucatan peninsula rebel? Would the Constitution of 1824 go back into effect?
 

stevej713

I don't know where this assumption is coming from that Texas could stroll over to California and take the whole territory. Unlike the US a decade later, Texas has no standing army, no navy, and no topographical schools to help them navigate the roughest terrain in North America. It's fighting force was a few hundred ranchers who were fighting just so they could get back to normal life. Plus, if Texas decided to "go on the offensive", they'd be wandering into New Mexico and Arizona in the summer. If scorching heat and disease didn't finish them off, the natives would have.
 
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The Gunslinger

Lirisa said:
Texas though would be plauged by rebellions by its anti-slavery Catholic populace. It's unlikely to me, that they would be able to secure rule the majority of Mexico.
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At that point you're just looking at Mexico with an autonomous Texas again. Texas has nothing to gain by governing all of Mexico.
 

stubear1012

Texas had their hands full dealing with the Comanches raiding their settlements.

Also Texas's attempt to gain control of Northern New Mexico was a disaster.

"The Texan Santa Fe Expedition was a commercial and military expedition to secure the Republic of Texas's claims to parts of Northern New Mexico for Texas in 1841.[1][2] The expedition was unofficially initiated by the then President of Texas, Mirabeau B. Lamar, in an attempt to gain control over the lucrative Santa Fe Trail and further develop the trade links between Texas and New Mexico. The initiative was a major component of Lamar's ambitious plan to turn the fledgling republic into a continental power, which the President believed had to be achieved as quickly as possible to stave off the growing movement demanding the annexation of Texas to the United States. Lamar's administration had already started courting the New Mexicans, sending out a commissioner in 1840, and many Texans thought that they might be favorable to the idea of joining the Republic of Texas.

The expedition finally arrived in New Mexico in mid-September 1841. Several of their scouts were captured, including Capt. William G. Lewis. Having expected to be welcomed on their arrival, the expedition was surprised to be met by a detachment from the Mexican Army of about 1500 men sent out by the governor of New Mexico, Manuel Armijo. One of Armijo's relatives who spoke English, probably Manuel Chaves or Mariano Chaves, parleyed with the Texans, with Captain Lewis supporting his statements. Both said that Armijo would give the Texans safe conduct and an escort to the border, and Lewis swore to it "on his Masonic faith".[3] After the Texans' arduous journey, they were in no state to fight a force that outnumbered them so heavily, so they surrendered. The New Mexicans gave them some supplies. "

I do not see Texas being able to expand.
 

Sicarius

George Washington said:
In the Battle of San Jacinto, the Texans attacked while all of the Mexicans where sleeping. It lasted 18 minutes, with 41 Texan casualties (11 killed, 30 wounded) and 1158 Mexican causalities (650 killed, 208 wounded, 300 captured) Santa Ana was captured later that day. He had thrown all of the Mexican Army at Texas, who won in a massive upset.
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Santa Anna took only a portion of the Mexican force to San Jacinto, one of many errors. Filisola and Urrea were both running around Texas with forces of roughly equivalent size, and even combined it hardly represented the fully military might of Mexico, which fielded tens of thousands against the US just a decade later.
 

Darth_Kiryan

Texas didn't even have control of its own territory that it claimed, let alone controlled. How the hell are they supposed to expand? Sam Houston even knew that and he was an ardent expansionist(even if he wanted annexation within the USA).

Mirabeau B Lamar was just nuts.
 

George Washington

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stevej713 said:
I don't know where this assumption is coming from that Texas could stroll over to California and take the whole territory. Unlike the US a decade later, Texas has no standing army, no navy, and no topographical schools to help them navigate the roughest terrain in North America. It's fighting force was a few hundred ranchers who were fighting just so they could get back to normal life. Plus, if Texas decided to "go on the offensive", they'd be wandering into New Mexico and Arizona in the summer. If scorching heat and disease didn't finish them off, the natives would have.
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Mexico had also just lost there entire army. Personally, I think Texas could have gotten more of OTL New Mexico, but the lowly populated West is possible, if done right.
 
Iron_Lord

Iron_Lord

George Washington said:
Most of that territory is desert. California is something that Texas could of, but probably not of, gotten. However, if they had U.S. help.
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Yes... California is probably a thing they could do. If the Texas republic had not joined the USA, had instead become, say, a kind of 'vassal'? Some sort of sponsored state not technically part of the Union but endorsed? I don't know.
 

The Gunslinger

The Comanche are just too tough a nut to crack until smallpox does its thing, so I can't see Texas going west before the 1870s given Texas had such a small population.

What I could see is a guy like Vidaurri end up joining Texas and Texas expands into the northern states along the Rio Grande. If he was willing to join the Confederacy I see no reason why he wouldn't make the same offer to Texas assuming Mexico follows a similar path.
 
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