AHC: Balkanize the US

Well with a weaker US it is hard for Texas to keep that claim, especially when Rio Bravo's capital, Laredo, would be located north of the Bravo.

Yeah, I know, I just have to always protest smaller than OTL Texas, and praise bigger than OTL Texas. :D
 
Yeah, I know, I just have to always protest smaller than OTL Texas, and praise bigger than OTL Texas. :D

I wouldn't call the Texas on that map smaller than OTL's; in my defense of it, it includes a good portion of New Mexico and Colorado (a good gain in exchange for the Nueces Strip I'd say).
 
New England secedes and the Confederacy secedes should really never be in the same timeline. The former would in all likelihood prevent the later.

Any possibility of California remaining an independent, Mexican-breakaway state, or was the population too low? I feel that Anglo-Texas will inevitably join the US, OTL it was basically the plan from the start.

Would Russian Alaska or British Hawaii technically count as "Balkanized US", or does an area actually have to join the US first? If it's contiguous US only, swap out British Oregon for Hawaii.
 
This is what I had planned for the situation to be at the end of the ACW in my California Republic TL that I'll probably never get around to. Texas secedes but never joins the CSA whilst California secedes during the war when the East coast just sends Californian men to die.

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1860: Abraham Lincon elected president, southern states secede- virginia and kentucky.
1861: War breaks out, Southern states form a union, but only E.U. style. Varius states are foreign supported, SC= French, NC= French, AK= NONE!!, TX= British, AL= British, Georgia= British, Florida= Multiple, LA= French.
1862: U.S. is trounced, Kentucky, Virginia, and Tennesse decalre independence.
1863: The Union of American states is extended.
1864: The Mromons revolt.
1867: Dominion kf Canada formed.
1868: Mormons gain independence.
1869: U.S. consideres U.S. wst of the Mississippi and east of California a war/anarch y zone.
1870: A single railroad across the west is the onmly line of supply and communication to Cailfornia.
1872: CAiLifornia declares independence.
1873: Dominion of Metis founded.
1874: British force occuppy the Upper West indefinatly.
1875: Britain decides to no longer support the Southern States, tehy collapse in siome palces.
1877: The Midwestern States, mostly the industrialized zones form the Confederated States of America, C.S.A. and join the British Sphere iof Influence.
1878: Texan WARS of Agreession against Mexico begin.
1880: Texan Wars of Agression against Mexico end, with Texas gaining much of Northern Mexico on the Gulf of Mexico and establishing a Chihuahua puppet.
1885: The Dominin of Dakota is established in hte Upper WEST.
1886:native american forces declare independence in the west, mostly in texan claimed anarchy areas, noone cares.
1890: The Thid Civil War Breks out, it is pretty much Union of Amrican States vs. U.S.A. and California.
1892: THe Third Civl War ends, the U.S. hands over maryland as an independent state. Californai has some reperations.
1900: The CAlIFOrniasn buy Hawaii and some other islands off of the British.
1902: The Californians trounce Spain and gains the Cuban Islands, the Philipines and Guam.
1903: A Pro-Union of Amrican States Yucatan is formed.
1904: The Appalachian secession occurs, the Appaalachian countys of vRginia, NC, and Tennesse break off, casuing a breif war.
1905: The US breaks apart into New England and New York, and Pennsylvania.
1906: Vermont breaks off of New England.
1907: Vermont gains a Protectorate Status of Enew England.
 

frlmerrin

Banned
Quite hard to do.

1862 The Trent Affair results in Britain and France going to war with the USA.
1862 Britain occupies the east of Maine.
1862 Britain occupies northern California and the upper part of the Washington Territory. The occupation forces support a pro-British state government having removed Unionist supporters from power. The majority foreign born population support the move.
1862 Sensing the change in the political climate the Confederates chose to defend what they have won in New Mexico rather than march on Fort Union as they did in OTL.
1863 The Mormon population of Utah, influenced by its large British constituency declares Deseret independent of the USA once again and seeks British recognition.
1863 With the British in northern California the Unionists in southern California are unable to move into New Mexico and it remains in Confederate hands. The Unionist doggedly holds on to Fort Yuma.
1864 With the blockade beginning to bite and a British naval base on Martha’s Vinyard the northern states of New England begin to trade internationally again under license from the British.
1864 French land at Los Angeles and San Diego and take fort Yuma from the sea in order to isolate the Juarista rebels in the north. They declare the south of California a protectorate of Mexico .
1865 After the Union surrender to the allies a peace conference is held at Lisbon. There are several significant boundary changes for example the French are compelled to return Los Angeles to California and independence is granted to the Confederacy, northern California and Deseret. Maine, New Hampshire and the Cape Cod area of Massachusetts petition the conference for independence which is granted as the Republic of New England.

Thus at the end of 1865 the following states exist:

USA
CSA
California, British protectorate
Deseret
New England, British protectorate

In 1867 the Russians offer first Britain and the USA Alaska as in OTL. Unlike OTL neither wishes to buy. Cut off from government support the small number of Russian traders and Russified natives declare independence in 1871.
1867 Northern Washington colony joins the Canadian Confederation
In 1874 Texas its development thwarted by the Confederate Central Government’s tariffs on sales of beef to the USA holds a convention and votes for independence. Four years afterwards this is granted by the Confederate government.
In 1880 mmediately after the independence of Texas, conventions in Southern California and the Confederate State of Arizona (larger than in OTL) conclude that they are no longer a viable part of the Confederacy and withdraw too as a single entity Southern California.
1881 Inspired by the Communards the city of New York rises in rebellion. Federal troops move on the city quickly but halt when the Socialist/Syndicalist leaders of the rebellion threaten to destroy all the means of production and all property held in the city in a Pyrrhic fashion. In 1882 the city receives independence.
1885 The botched Spanish-CSA war leaves the Spanish in Control of New Orleans and access to the Mississippi. At the peace conference Spain takes possession of New Orleans for 100 year lease.
1888 Virginia appalled by the increasingly harsh treatment of slaves by the deep south states in an attempt to compete with ‘free labour’ in the British Empire, Europe, California and the USA begins a campaign to improve the lot of slaves. After ten years of failure in this effort and the increasing inability of the rest of the Confederacy to modernise Virginia withdraws in 1898.
1889 Delaware (occupied by the Confederacy and including most of Maryland IITL) elects to follow Virginia into independence.
In 1895 The internationally sanctioned (at the peace conference of 1865) moratorium on the USA advancing in to Indian territory (enforced by the British) in the north of the country comes to an end. Most of the Indians in the territory elect to join the Canadian Confederation, a few to join the USA those in North Dakota elect to become an independent state.


Thus at the end of 1900 the following states exists:

USA
CSA (still includes Kentucky and Southern Missouri)
California (northern California, some of Nevada and southern Oregon)
Southern California (Los Angeles region and enlarged Confederate Arizona
Deseret (Utah, some of Nevada and some of Colorado)
Virginia (inc. West Virginia)
Alaska (Aleutians and coast only)
Texas (inc. parts of northern New Mexico and a little of Colorado)
New England (Maine, New Hampshire and the Cape Cod area)
Delaware (inc. most of Maryland)
Dakota (north Dakota)
Free city of New York (inc. Long Island)

1919 Class warfare breaks out into violence again across the USA. In the Pacific North West the IWW ends up in effective control of the government of Oregon. They vote for independence and fighting begins as the new government attempts to take over Federal property. Fighting spreads to Washington and Idaho. As USA troops begin to mass on the border California, Deseret and Canada also begin to move to a war footing. Diplomacy triumphs in the end and Cascadia is born.
1932 During very hard financial times Douglas (northern Washington OTL) elects to leave Canada its government being heavily under the influence of the IWW inspired Cascadia.
In 1967 The British colony of the Florida Keys and Tortugas is granted independence.
1985 Spain unable to obtain satisfactory guarantees on the civil rights of its citizens in New Orleans when it hands it back to the CSA declares it independent, its security guaranteed by several large nations including the USA and California.
In 2005 The French colony of the Santa Catalina Islands is offered the choice of incorporation into Metropolitan France or independence they choose independence.

Thus at the end of the 20th Century the following states exists:

USA
CSA (still includes Kentucky and Southern Missouri)
California (northern California, some of Nevada and southern Oregon)
Southern California (Los Angeles region and enlarged Confederate Arizona
Deseret (Utah, some of Nevada and some of Colorado)
Virginia (inc. West Virginia)
Douglas (Washington north of the Columbia)
People’s Republic of Cascadia (northern Oregon, Southern Washington, Some Idaho and some Montana)
Alaska (Aleutians and coast only)
Texas (inc. parts of northern New Mexico and a little of Colorado)
New England (Maine, New Hampshire and the Cape Cod area)
Delaware (inc. most of Maryland)
Dakota (north Dakota)
Free city of New York (inc. Long Island)
New Orleans
Florida Keys and Tortugas
Santa Catalina Islands
 

NothingNow

Banned
Your challenge, should you accept it, is to balkanize the United States with a PoD after 1800. At least 4 states should result. Endless bonus points if it can be done after the ACW. Get to it!

How about we have Andrew Jackson dies at the battle of Pensacola, to a lucky cannon ball, the Valiant defense of New Orleans is defeated, leaving the US Army with little prestige, and pretty much over the next couple of decades the Union falls appart from internal and external stresses, like Seminole raids from Florida threatening Georgia and Louisiana (but raids into the Spanish territory regularly end in failure thanks to disease,) along with the normal regional problems, right up till South Carolina starts a Succession Crisis over import Tariffs, which isn't nipped in the bud soon enough, leading South Carolina and Georgia (nominally including the Mississippi Territory out to the Pearl River) to exit the union in the 1830s, New England following in the 1840s, and leaving isolated Louisiana effectively on it's own aside from trade, as the Union focuses on settlement in the Old North East, and goes west from there.

The Civilized tribes manage to hold on to their territory, backed by Britain, and develop more or less solidly, with everything between the Chattahooche, Tennessee and Mississippi rivers being controlled by one tribe or another, with some White Settlers, mostly Scots-Irish, Proto-cracker, German, Creole and Acadians. by the 20th century, the locals in the area think you're in idiot if you're only tri-lingual (including the mostly dominant Louisiana Creole.)

Coahuila y Tejas is just another border province of New Spain, and later the Mexican Empire (which sheds Florida in the transition.)

Florida is pretty much left to it's own devices and ruled from Havanna, with local representatives in Pensacola and St Augustine, The Dry Tortugas are an officially unofficial Royal Navy station, and Key West is pretty much paralleling the development of Singapore, but with more of a focus on Fishing, Wrecking and Smuggling.

And yeah, that's what I've got.
 
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