AHC: At least 300 consecutive years of an Ethiopian or Nubian dominated Egypt or Arabia

raharris1973

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what it says on the tin.

With any PoD after Alexander the Great's death - have these historic sub-Saharan African kingdoms dominate a neighbor or neighbors to the north for a nice long chunk of time like the over 300 years of Ptolemid, Roman and Ottoman rule over Egypt.
 

Pangur

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Not at sure that this can be made to work with a single PoD post 323 BC as some how Nubia has to be capable of not just taking Egypt but holding it for 300 +years. What may work would be for the last rulers of 25th dynasty niot to loose so badly to the assyrians and maintain a nation e.g. Nudia. Then have Alexander the Great capture Egypt as per OTL and then after his death have his empire decend in to civil war. The Nubian kings some north and take over. Said civil war would have to last for at least ten years to give the Nubians time to consolidate power, rebuild Egypt and gain some sort of tech edge army wise over all local nations
 
In the 3rd century Mani supposedly said that there were 4 great powers: Rome, Persia, China and Aksum. Historically Aksum was involved with Yemen and Arabia for a while. Given a very ambitious monarch you could have them establishing a firmer grip on that area that butterflies away Islam and lasts for at least 3 centuries (probably expands into much of Somalia as well starting with Mosylon and Opone) However an even wilder possibility is to move the Christianization of Axum forward by 30 years. Have a very devout Christian ruler on its throne when Diocletian is doing his thing. This devout Aksumite invades Egypt to rescue the Egyptian Christians who in turn see him as Deliverer. Many of them are willing to fight for Aksum (hmm one result of this is Coptic church that is less monastic and more militaristic) This results in war with Rome which has has just finished a grueling war with another of Mani's four great powers. Is Diocletian's retirement postponed in order to fight this war. If Axum can somehow hold on with the support of the Egyptian Christians (and down the road an alliance with the Sassanids) the butterflies will be HUGE (Aksum might end up be the center of Christendom)
 

raharris1973

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In the 3rd century Mani supposedly said that there were 4 great powers: Rome, Persia, China and Aksum. Historically Aksum was involved with Yemen and Arabia for a while. Given a very ambitious monarch you could have them establishing a firmer grip on that area that butterflies away Islam and lasts for at least 3 centuries (probably expands into much of Somalia as well starting with Mosylon and Opone) However an even wilder possibility is to move the Christianization of Axum forward by 30 years. Have a very devout Christian ruler on its throne when Diocletian is doing his thing. This devout Aksumite invades Egypt to rescue the Egyptian Christians who in turn see him as Deliverer. Many of them are willing to fight for Aksum (hmm one result of this is Coptic church that is less monastic and more militaristic) This results in war with Rome which has has just finished a grueling war with another of Mani's four great powers. Is Diocletian's retirement postponed in order to fight this war. If Axum can somehow hold on with the support of the Egyptian Christians (and down the road an alliance with the Sassanids) the butterflies will be HUGE (Aksum might end up be the center of Christendom)

This is a cool and creative idea!
 
Is Nubia necessarily such an underdog? At one point, Makuria was raiding Upper Egypt. If we have stable leadership in Makuria and an utter collapse of leadership in Egypt (be it Islamic Egypt, Byzantine Egypt, etc.), then the Makurians might swoop in and thus bring about a Second Kushite domination of Egypt. Although I think they'd be Egyptianised before long, their empire could last for a good while. As an Egyptian state, they'd likely want to expand into the Levant if they had the chance.
 

Pangur

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The 25th dynasty was most certainly Egyptianised from what I have read its far impossible that a later successful Nubian occupation of Egypt would be as well
 
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