AHC: Asian and African colonies in the new world

Goobo

Gone Fishin'
This challenge, should you chose to accept it, is to have at least one Asian and one African nation have one or more colonies in the new world by 1800.

POD must be after 1492.
 
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I think the African colony would be a bit ASB, unless you count Ottoman North Africa and have the Ottoman empire acquire an island or land in the New World.

The Asian one, Russia is in Northern Asia and owns Alaska, so have a Chinese or Japanese trade ship, follow the Russian's fleet and takes a settlement in Oregon.
 
I think the African colony would be a bit ASB, unless you count Ottoman North Africa and have the Ottoman empire acquire an island or land in the New World.

The Asian one, Russia is in Northern Asia and owns Alaska, so have a Chinese or Japanese trade ship, follow the Russian's fleet and takes a settlement in Oregon.

Well, there's the usual 'Mali colonizes America'.
 
Now how would Mali have the ships to colonize the Americas? More thorough contact with Carthage?

OTL, although, how good they were...

See:
Abubakri II of Mali arrives in South America
nlspeed

WI Mali discovers America?
NapoleonXIV

1310: The Year Mali Discovered America (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
pa_dutch

plus mentions in various 'Islam in America' and 'alternate colonizations' threads.
 

SinghKing

Banned
Would the Boer Republics (or an ATL Boer Confederacy) count as African Nations? That aside, the Bidyogo may be an interesting, largely unexplored possibility- they largely controlled the trade along the coast of West Africa from their island archipelago (the Bissagos Islands) in the pre-colonial era, and they built up a powerful navy- one which enabled them to rout the Portuguese when they attempted to conquer the islands in 1535, and to prevent Portugal from taking the islands until 1936 IOTL. Could they potentially have adopted expansionism and colonialism from the Portuguese (or their Spanish colonial rivals) after repelling the first Portuguese invasion, expanding their navy's blue water capabilities and turning their attentions to the growing, increasingly lucrative slave trade between West Africa and the Americas?
 
For Asian, you could have Japan drop its isolationism earlier on and adopt some technology and other things imported from Europe via the Dutch and so on. Have a strong emperor who cracks down on the power of the nobles (or hell, even a really powerful shogun) and decides to establish colonies, European-style, while America isn't fully claimed yet. They could grab a few islands in the Pacific and maybe even parts of America - California, or what is now the Oregon region. If Japan successfully modernizes in that age, maybe China can follow suit.

Africa is harder, as others have mentioned, especially with a PoD after 1492. If you allowed a PoD within the 15th century, maybe we can get someone in Morocco to follow Spain and Portugal to the Americas. That is, if Morocco counts as "African". Other than that, no one in Africa really has the resources to rival European powers before they claim pretty much everything in America.
 
OTL, although, how good they were...

See:
Abubakri II of Mali arrives in South America
nlspeed

WI Mali discovers America?
NapoleonXIV

1310: The Year Mali Discovered America (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
pa_dutch

plus mentions in various 'Islam in America' and 'alternate colonizations' threads.

I also started one on Mali reaching South America. Mansa Musa was filthy stinking rich, and funding better shipwrights from Islamic Mediterranean could work. Or Christian Spaniards without religious scruples. During Abu Bakr's reign, if I recall, there was some record/legend of a great host of ships sailing into the great ocean and never returning. Twice. Purportedly, and again it's been years since I read this, the first was like 200 ships, the next was supposedly 1,000 or something. Assuming that's accurate, it could be that they were shotty little river boats or fishing rafts and not true sea-going vessels. Find the right mindset, the right funding, and the right shipwright and you've got Mali in America.
 
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