AHC: Antiquity Europe Look Like This (see map)

This is a really rough draft of a map I made.

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It might not be the most accurate map but it gets the job done. Basically, with a POD of the Mithridatic wars, make Europe look like as seen on the map.
 
thats one nice map
/irony

edit: when he posted it, he forgot to add the picture :p
 
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Not sure what's up with the borders of Caledonia, or the existence of the Pontic and Armenian Empires.
 

Anaxagoras

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Pontus is Mithridats.

This implies that Pontus defeated the Romans and took control of land that had belonged to Rome. This would require some significant POD, as the Romans were not in the habit of allowing people who inflicted defeats upon them to survive for very long.
 
This implies that Pontus defeated the Romans and took control of land that had belonged to Rome. This would require some significant POD, as the Romans were not in the habit of allowing people who inflicted defeats upon them to survive for very long.

I know. It's very hard to do, but it is doable.
 
The obvious question:

How?
Well, re-organizing his army much earlier would be an obvious one. That still leaves the problem of superior Roman leadership though. Where the Romans were bereft of their brilliant commanders such as Sulla or Lucullus, the Pontic armies had managed to inflict defeats on the Roman forces. And at any rate, it would all boil down to just how long Pontus could hold out before the Romans decided it was no longer worth it.
 
Well, re-organizing his army much earlier would be an obvious one. That still leaves the problem of superior Roman leadership though. Where the Romans were bereft of their brilliant commanders such as Sulla or Lucullus, the Pontic armies had managed to inflict defeats on the Roman forces. And at any rate, it would all boil down to just how long Pontus could hold out before the Romans decided it was no longer worth it.

Perhaps the Social Wars break out later when the Romans have already made a commitment to Asia Minor, and so suffer much more serious defeats in Italy?

Or hell, maybe the Social War just is extra long and brutal for some reason, and by the Romans stabilize things Mithardates has already stabilized things.
 
The biggest single problem I see with the map is the bosphorous - how does an anatolian power NOT control at least a few miles across the straights? Id give them about as much land in Europe as modern Turkey.

Clearly this rome is far less successful militarily, having lost asia and having not conquered most of Gaul.

Being distracted by civil wars and political infighting, of which Rome had a lot, could do it.
 

Nietzsche

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This is a really rough draft of a map I made.



It might not be the most accurate map but it gets the job done. Basically, with a POD of the Mithridatic wars, make Europe look like as seen on the map.
As stated above me, the only genuine problem here is the Bosphorus. Give it to one or the other and the rest of the map can be explained as different migrations.
 
Perhaps there was some kind of agreement with the Romans where the Romans had one side and the Pontics the other?

This would allow both of them to use the straits.
 
If you're going to say "It is doable.", that implies some basis for that other than "I dare my fellow AH.comers to come up with an answer."

No it doesn't. That's why it's called a challenge; He is challenging you to come up with a way to make it possible instead of simply nay-saying.
 
No it doesn't. That's why it's called a challenge; He is challenging you to come up with a way to make it possible instead of simply nay-saying.

Saying "It is doable." implies having a way it can be done, not just a challenge.

And frankly, a challenge that can't be responded to with "unachievable" is just a way of breeding ASBs.

Not all scenarios we can imagine are scenarios that have any plausible method of being made to work. The attitude that we should never say nay is a shortcut to implausible developments in response to random maps.
 
Yes, it does.

Saying "It is doable." implies having a way it can be done, not just "Can this be done?"

And frankly, a challenge that can't be responded to with "unachievable" is just a way of breeding ASBs.

Well the POD is the Mithridatic Wars. Having Tigranes take over Palestine isn't that hard since the area fell into civil war shortly after the POD IIRC. Ptolemaic Egypt is practically a client state of Rome in everything but name as it was OTL. The Arverni came close at times to uniting the Gallic tribes. Dacia was strong and united during Burebista around this time or shortly after the POD.

Mithridates had taken over all of Asia Minor at one point as well.
 
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