AHC: Anglo/Franco-Brazilian War

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
The challenge is for a war between Brazil on one side and Britain and/or France on the other. The war must occur sometime between 1835 and 1845. Slavery cannot be a factor in the war. The POD must be 1785 or later.
 

Rush Tarquin

Gone Fishin'
The French claimed a big lump of Brazil as a part of French Guiana, though they only claimed it much later than your POD so... I'm unsure if it'd be a potential POD in your timescale.

The Cabanagem, the first separatist revolt in Brazil, was happening in Grão-Pará 1935-1940. Given the territorial overlap, maybe the French get their idea earlier, though I believe the OTL claim was born out of an desire to compensate for the humiliation suffered in the FPW.
 
Maybe Dom Pedro I manages to stay on the throne and gones on to break the Treaty of Montevideu and re-igniting the Cisplatine War within your timeframe and Britain gets pissed at him, warranting an intervention?
 
The easiest way would probably be for Brazil to borrow a bit more than they can handle from either Britain or France, and then try to default on those loans. That'll bring the gunboats soon enough.
 
The challenge is for a war between Brazil on one side and Britain and/or France on the other. The war must occur sometime between 1835 and 1845. Slavery cannot be a factor in the war. The POD must be 1785 or later.

Only between 1835 and 1845?

There are two possibilities.

One, in the 1830s, when both Great Britain and France occupied territories in the then-Brazilian province of Grão-Pará as their own. Those were small pieces of land, there was no armed conflict, no bloodshed, nothing of the kind. Both nations later withdrew once Brazil complained.

The second possibility would be as result of the growing pressure of Great Britan over Brazil to end the African slave trade. The possibility of war was so great that the Brazilian government felt the need to pass the bill that became known as Queirós Law in 1850 and that ended for good the trade.
 

Flubber

Banned
The second possibility would be as result of the growing pressure of Great Britan over Brazil to end the African slave trade.


Read the OP. Slavery is off the table.

wolf brother's idea seems the best so far. French scientists were the first to "discovery" gum rubber and that, plus the prospect of other natural resources, led to a long term French interest controlling a chunk of the Amazon.

Spark an earlier demand in gum rubber, add a French government initiative much like the later UK one to assure supplies, mix in a little Fordlandia, fold in domestic political shenanigans, and you've got France tussling with Brazil over the issue of extraterritorial rubber plantations.
 
Read the OP. Slavery is off the table.

wolf brother's idea seems the best so far. French scientists were the first to "discovery" gum rubber and that, plus the prospect of other natural resources, led to a long term French interest controlling a chunk of the Amazon.

Spark an earlier demand in gum rubber, add a French government initiative much like the later UK one to assure supplies, mix in a little Fordlandia, fold in domestic political shenanigans, and you've got France tussling with Brazil over the issue of extraterritorial rubber plantations.

Someone's been reading my notes for TSPD I see ;)
 
france had no

real interaction in main Brazil, other than French Guyana, but England meddled incessantly in Brazil and the former Spanish colony's. They kinda knew that it was a large bite to get too involved, though. Still, you want a war, it would be fairly easy to invent a beligerant Brazil which incites England enough to go to war. Typically what happened was England pushes to the max, and ultimately, Brazil (or Argentina or Paraguay) would put up just enough resistance to blunt the demands, and then capitulate. A game of chicken where invariably the country not named Britain would blink. Simply have Brazil dig in it's heels.

What would happen? IF (a very big if) Brazil found a national identity, the naval engagements would go to Britain, but the land wars belong to Brazil. IF Brazil decided to go the distance, Britain finds that it needs to commit major resources to subjugate Brazil.
 
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