samcster94
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So, what if 54 40 was taken more seriously??? This implies the Mex/Am War and Texas stuff went differently. Bonus points if the U.S. annexes modern day BC.
The big question what happens with Mexico, because other than Oregon going to Britain the changes in the wider war would be very minor ( possibly northern Maine, the south bank of the St. Lawrence, northwestern shore of Lake Superior, the Red River watershed) after the American navy gets smashed and a few raids and border battles take place.
Does America still go after Mexico after a loss to the UK?
I can see this thread turning into a UK vs US pissing contest.
But I don't think the US would be able to annex BC as easily as you think.
More likely a limited conflict with some local militia going at it, maybe a naval exchange to show the flag but not fought to the finish. Honestly I imagine a lot of conflicts would be on the line of showing the flag instead of a full blown war or a war fought to the finish.
America would lose this war. Both sides send an expeditionary force to reclaim territory taken or claimed by the other, the British and Canadians defeat that sent by the Americans and probably claim it as their own. They will probably try to occupy much of the Louisiana Territory simply for leverage in getting a favorable peace accord.
To retaliate, the British navy blockaded the American eastern coast for the effect of economic damage causing naval battles in the Atlantic, Gulf of Mexico, and Great Lakes again like in the War of 1812. The United States also loses this battle.
I can see Britain helping an independent Texas obtain sovereignty in exchange for allowing it to place bases on its territory for use in the southern United States and Mississippi. Britain might even invade and take this right by force if necessary overwhelming Texan resistance.
The British don't really want American territory that much but will want to get back and punish the U.S. for such a conflict, however, which will probably end in some sort of mediate peace anyway.
In the longer term, America is so financially damaged by a war with the British Empire that the war with Mexico is probably long delayed by ten of twenty years simply because of the previous drain has taken which also postpones the end of slavery and ultimately Civil War. The drawbacks will last decades.
Have you tried making a POD as early as the Napoleonic Wars? Maybe if the Americans were more pro-French, the war of 1812 would be a precursor of things to come as the British get more suspicious of American intentions. Or how about treating the population of Quebec as brothel workers (when they are most defiantly of... other occupations) during the sack of Quebec to inflame them more? You guys are not being imaginative enough by PODs in the 1830s (unless the OP wanted that, but I don't think he said so)
https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-t...-ever-fought/answer/Graeme-Shimmin?srid=h9Jyg
The capital was Quebec wasn't it? Or was it montral?
Ummm... wrong war. War of 1812, and was Montreal the capital?
Wait what, I thought it was Americans go into Canada, sack something, and then the British return the favor in DC?
Ummm... wrong war. War of 1812, and was Montreal the capital?