AHC: Anglicize all of the British Isles before 1800

Have the entire native population of the British Isles speak English as a there mother tongue with a POD no earlier than the Edwardian Conquest of Wales. Also make all the languages of the British Isles go extinct, besides English of course.:p
 
Have the entire native population of the British Isles speak English as a there mother tongue with a POD no earlier than the Edwardian Conquest of Wales. Also make all the languages of the British Isles go extinct, besides English of course.:p

You're laughing, but I don't really see the humor.
 
Have the entire native population of the British Isles speak English as a there mother tongue with a POD no earlier than the Edwardian Conquest of Wales. Also make all the languages of the British Isles go extinct, besides English of course.:p
There is a lot of ways to do this... But, you have to kill off cultural nationalism as well.

By the way, this is not really funny. But I'm helping you...
 
Thats not funny. Its not that your joke wasn't funny, its that I'm not even sure how thats intended to be a joke.
 
What do mean it's not funny? It's not like I'm asking you to commit genocide. I'm simply asking for linguistic assimilation. For example their could still be an independent Ireland in this timeline, but English will be the mother tongue for all of the Irish.
 
What do mean it's not funny? It's not like I'm asking you to commit genocide. I'm simply asking for linguistic assimilation. For example their could still be an independent Ireland in this timeline, but English will be the mother tongue for all of the Irish.

Linguistic assimilation and genocide are not mutually exclusive.
 

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What do mean it's not funny? It's not like I'm asking you to commit genocide. I'm simply asking for linguistic assimilation. For example their could still be an independent Ireland in this timeline, but English will be the mother tongue for all of the Irish.

Be careful about that man, you could have this thread end up in a cluster**** should this keep going
 
If the French Revolution never happens and nationalism never rises, you can probably get no Welsh, or Irish/Scottish Gaelic revival. Combine this with early Catholic Emancipation, and the challenge is fulfilled, though you'll still have Irish and Scottish English.
 
If the French Revolution never happens and nationalism never rises, you can probably get no Welsh, or Irish/Scottish Gaelic revival. Combine this with early Catholic Emancipation, and the challenge is fulfilled, though you'll still have Irish and Scottish English.

The problem with that is that, even if the effect could be achieved (which IMO the 1780s is too late for), you wopuldn't get there by the 1800 deadline demanded by the OP. I don't think this is feasible without really, really far-reaching and early changes. The kind of changes that might make ATL's English unintelligible to OTL speakers.
 
I'm not sure you can it by 1800. Now, by 1900 I can picture for Irish and Scotch Gaelic, but Manx and Welsh are harder (Cornish can be ignored, there are documents written in the late 18th Century in which old Cornish men lament that no-one under the age of 40 speaks Cornish anymore, and the language was resurrected from scratch in the 1950s).

For Manx we probably need to get the Isle of Man directly incorportated into England somehow, which means English becomes the sole administrative language, and on a population this small it's not all that hard to have that lead to people dropping Manx in favour of English if they want to get ahead in life, leading to a decline and death of the language.

For Scots Gaelic, harsher Clearences might work, as could the Prince Regent not getting a touch of Scotch romantiscm, leading to the old anti-clan laws being repealed. Scott basically saved their bacon, and it could easily have continued the slow decline of the language to obscurity it was continuing.

For Ireland, perhaps no Act of Union? Irish nationalism isn't as intense with her own Parliament, mainly focusing on equality for Catholics, which takes the sting out of the tail of the Celtic Revival and subsequent measures to promote Gaelic (especially if equalitity for Catholics is achieved by around 1850, so the argument can't really be used that English is the language of the opressers, at least not without making it a class distinction). Irish Gaelic is still a minority language in Ireland as it is, and that's with the Republic heavily promiting it.

Welsh is the hardest one though, and probably requires active measures to supress the language. I'd suggest lots of Welsh revolts, but really they got knocked out of the system (so to speak) in the first couple of centuries after the conquest, meaning that in the age of rising nationalism the Welsh weren't associated with troublesome minorities.
 
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