AHC and WI: Trump wins 2000 Reform Party Nomination

Something else to consider: If Trump is the clear favorite to lead the Reform Party, maybe Buchanan never makes a play for it, and goes instead to the Constitution Party, and ends up in third place due to all of the vitriol between Nader and Trump.

I don't know -- I mean, OTL Nader got over five times what Buchanan and Phillips (of the Constitution Party) got combined; I'm guessing it's Buchanan who ends up in fifth, TTL...

Or, do they cancel each other out, and actually cement support for Bush and Gore?

Well, I'm pretty sure they're going be the top two regardless :rolleyes:

Though truth be told, I've been imagining this scenario being combined with a McCain nomination -- so it's possible without Bush to pick up social conservatives for the GOP, Buchanan may pick up more votes anyway...
 
I don't know -- I mean, OTL Nader got over five times what Buchanan and Phillips (of the Constitution Party) got combined; I'm guessing it's Buchanan who ends up in fifth, TTL...
THe difference between Howard Phillips and Pat Buchanan though is that one man is well known and the other is not.


Well, I'm pretty sure they're going be the top two regardless :rolleyes:

Though truth be told, I've been imagining this scenario being combined with a McCain nomination -- so it's possible without Bush to pick up social conservatives for the GOP, Buchanan may pick up more votes anyway...

I don't think a McCain nomination alone is enough to do what you want here.
 
I don't think a McCain nomination alone is enough to do what you want here.

Sorry, I just threw that in to give an idea of what I was thinking -- naturally, these would have different PoDs*...

The difference between Howard Phillips and Pat Buchanan though is that one man is well known and the other is not.

Sorry, throwing Phillips in may have confused things. Put it this way -- even with the Reform Party nomination, Nader got over six times as many votes as Buchanan OTL; I don't see how Trump getting this nomination instead helps Buchanan do better...

*still curious what PoD I'd need for Trump to get the official Reform nomination...
 
Sorry, I just threw that in to give an idea of what I was thinking -- naturally, these would have different PoDs*...



Sorry, throwing Phillips in may have confused things. Put it this way -- even with the Reform Party nomination, Nader got over six times as many votes as Buchanan OTL; I don't see how Trump getting this nomination instead helps Buchanan do better...

*still curious what PoD I'd need for Trump to get the official Reform nomination...

Well, if the Trump/Nader feud escalates, it's likelier to make Buchanan be the protest vote that Nader was in 2000. That said.....

I think it was 1999, but maybe earlier, when Karl Rove arranged for Governor Bush to meet Grover Norquist. If my recolection is correct, Rove, Norquist, or both had been reluctant to arrange such a meeting because Bush's record as governor was more out of sync with Norquist's ideas than was true of other potential candidates. If you do research on this, and it's true, then perhaps this is a POD to both propel Trump to the Reform Party nomination and McCain to the GOP one.
 
Well, if the Trump/Nader feud escalates, it's likelier to make Buchanan be the protest vote that Nader was in 2000. That said.....

I think it was 1999, but maybe earlier, when Karl Rove arranged for Governor Bush to meet Grover Norquist. If my recolection is correct, Rove, Norquist, or both had been reluctant to arrange such a meeting because Bush's record as governor was more out of sync with Norquist's ideas than was true of other potential candidates. If you do research on this, and it's true, then perhaps this is a POD to both propel Trump to the Reform Party nomination and McCain to the GOP one.

Wait -- Norquist could support a Trump third party candidacy? :eek: But wasn't the Donald (off the top of my head) known for contributing to Democrats?
 
Well, wasn't Trump technically already running? But yeah, I see what you mean...

Any other PoD ideas out there? Also, who do you think would come in third with the race we're talking about -- could Trump pull that much off?
 
From what I have read about this potential race, Trump was going for the most part walk away with the nomination; he had the support of many from both sides of the aisle in the Reform Party, but it was in many cases simply because they saw him as a better alternative to Buchanan and Hagelin, not because they actually supported him.

As for the General Election, well, I can't say much because I don't think Trump really thought all that far ahead. As an example he thought that Oprah Winfrey would make a good running mate for him; don't know how that would have gone, and I doubt she would have accepted. He does better than Nader but worse than Perot in '96.​
 
From what I have read about this potential race, Trump was going for the most part walk away with the nomination; he had the support of many from both sides of the aisle in the Reform Party, but it was in many cases simply because they saw him as a better alternative to Buchanan and Hagelin, not because they actually supported him.

As for the General Election, well, I can't say much because I don't think Trump really thought all that far ahead. As an example he thought that Oprah Winfrey would make a good running mate for him; don't know how that would have gone, and I doubt she would have accepted. He does better than Nader but worse than Perot in '96.​

Oprah indeed is ASB for a running mate. He needs someone with political experience from elsewhere in the country. I'm thinking Richard Lamm, former governor of Colorado.
 
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