AHC and WI: No Elvis Explosion of 1956

I'm trying to think of a PoD, in 1955, that would keep Elvis Presley from becoming a sensation in 1956, and ultimately curb his music career from ever achieving any big hits for the rest of the decade. Any ideas what this could be?

Given said PoD preventing the Elvis Explosion of 1956 -- how is music affected in the short term? And from that in the long term? I'm trying to think if this would be enough to make Ray Charles a sensation by 1959, with two number one hits for that year; is that plausible?

Also, would Buddy Holly's career be affected -- and what if he lived TTL?
 
Elvis did a lot to bring Rock and Roll more popularity in the White population and help its popularity. I mean, he was Elvis. Need I say more?

But, what we have to do in this scenario is to look at everyone else who wasn't Elvis. And there were quite a few who weren't Elvis who were white rockers and popular with the kiddies. Bill Hailey and His Comets recorded "Rock Around the Clock" in 1954 and it took off in 1955 when it was put in the film "Blackboard Jungle". Kids went to the movie just to hear that song, and teenagers rioted in the ailes (literally) over hearing it. And I think Jerry Lee Lewis was around before or just around the time Elvis made it, for example.

Also, across the pond, I think Skiffle (the forerunner of British Rock) was taking off before Elvis.
 
Man, I had forgotten about Bill Haley and the Comets; though I doubt Jerry Lee Lewis could ever have been close to "Elvis" big.
 
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I didn't say he would be. I used him as an example of the guys who were there besides Elvis. Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, etc, etc.

Well no, you didn't -- I'm just thinking how much bigger these guys can be with the Elvis sized hole to fill. Johnny Cash was certainly there -- but to the extent that he gets bigger, I'd say that affects Country more than Rock.

My thinking is "Great Pretender" and "Blueberry Hill" will do better in 1956, and "That'll be the Day" could be a much bigger hit in 1957 -- course, then you start running into butterflies...
 
Well no, you didn't -- I'm just thinking how much bigger these guys can be with the Elvis sized hole to fill.

Johnny Cash was certainly there -- but to the extent that he gets bigger, I'd say that affects Country more than Rock...

Cash was Country and Rockabilly Rock n' Roll. Actually a lot of of these guys were Rock n' Roll and Rockabilly. Rock evolved from Country and Western, along with Blues, Folk, Swing, etc, etc. Early Rock was a lovely mongrel music for the masses.

Anyway, the thing with these kinds of things is that when you take out the Greatests, you're still left with the Good and Greats. They may not make it as big as the Greatests, and that certainly has a lot to do with the field being more crowded (maybe its talent, maybe its just marketing), but they're still there. They could rise slightly, but I doubt anyone will be Elvis level big, or at least not for a while.
 
OK, I get you -- does that mean that Rock, as a genre, doesn't come to dominate as much, and may actually (early 1960's) become secondary to R&B and Soul?
 
OK, I get you -- does that mean that Rock, as a genre, doesn't come to dominate as much, and may actually (early 1960's) become secondary to R&B and Soul?

I think Rock was more or less already on course, and had already entrenched itself. The trains had all collided (I use that metaphor since Rock was a mongrel music. Quite a bit like Punk in that respect).
 
I think Rock was more or less already on course, and had already entrenched itself. The trains had all collided (I use that metaphor since Rock was a mongrel music. Quite a bit like Punk in that respect).

Btw, if you want a nice book on the history of Rock from an alternate perspective, look into "How the Beatles Destroyed Rock and Roll*"; it's not about how the Beatles destroyed Rock, and that title is more just an attention grabber, but it's about how popular music operated and evolved and how, while the people we remember as Greats were Greats, we shouldn't ignore all the contemporaries to them since those contemporaries meant a lot or just as much to the people of the era as those we think of as icons. For example, Pat Boone was as big as Elvis, and the people who listened to Elvis were probably listening to Boone as well.

*The title derives from how the Beatles did a few things. By writing their own material, they ended or greatly diminished the relationship between song writer and artists which had been in place. By stopping touring, they became the first band to exist solely on record, which was unprecendented. And, when they got into Sgt Pepper and afterward, they helped take rock from a hopping around mongrel music to one where you sat down and listened, and something more high brow.
 
Well yeah, it's certainly not going the way of Disco or anything like that; but you think Rock has already so established itself that it's going to be the soundtrack of the 60's regardless?
 
Well yeah, it's certainly not going the way of Disco or anything like that; but you think Rock has already so established itself that it's going to be the soundtrack of the 60's regardless?

Yeah, because you have other artists. There will be something else it hinges on though. At a certain point, Rock started to fall on hard times. Jerry Lee Lewis was in social exile for marrying his cousin, Little Richard went gospel and went out of Rock because of it, and other big artists were out of the Rock scene for similar reasons. Elvis, for his part, was doing movies, which was thought to be the smart move since Rock music was on harder times and the movies sold well. And because of all those problems with the icons, Rock and Roll was becoming more artificial and corporate; the industry was putting together bands and songs and it wasn't natural talent anymore. Think of boy bands. I think Folk was starting to take off at this same time, partially because it wasn't corporate and fake like Rock. The Beatles actually saved rock here, because they inserted natural, not artificial talent back into Rock and brought in all these other artists.

So Rock and Roll depends on if that either doesn't happen in Rock, or if there's someone to save it. Or, maybe that Artificial Rock continues for a while, but someone eventually takes it back. In the meanwhile though, I think there'll be other things to take up prominence, like Folk. We're certainly not going back to what there was before Rock n' Roll, though.

And maybe Elvis could be blamed a bit for that. Maybe he's the one that made it so rock could become more corporate, or maybe by being that big, he made it so that Rock was easier for men in suites to consolodate. I don't know whether that's true (and I'm not saying it definitely is), but it's an interesting theory for this discussion's purposes.
 
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Very fascinating stuff Your Majesty; it sounds like the case could be made that without Elvis, and unless The Beatles don't somehow still arise, that the corporate, artificial Rock that killed the music -- but also propelled it to a massive audience -- doesn't arise in the first place (or at least not so soon). Does that sound right?
 
Very fascinating stuff Your Majesty; it sounds like the case could be made that without Elvis, and unless The Beatles don't somehow still arise, that the corporate, artificial Rock that killed the music -- but also propelled it to a massive audience -- doesn't arise in the first place (or at least not so soon). Does that sound right?

Hmm, I'm not sure I'm sure of how you're interpreting my statements. Then again I'm also trying to figure out how to say what I wanna say right.
I don't mean that Elvis made Rock into a corporate genre, and certainly not the Beatles. I mean that by being so big, perhaps it could be said Elvis made it so the suites got more into the genre and opened the door to them making it theirs, and artificially making marketable artists and groups who could be giant icons and drain the teens of their money. And once the big guys were wiped out from that first wave of rock (I forgot to mention Elvis going into the army in 1958 being the start of his being out of Rock for a while, and the Big Bopper and Richie Valens and Buddy Holly dying), it made it easier for the industry to make artificial groups.
I'm also not equating the Beatles, or anyone else, taking Rock from more a Mogrel form to a more sit down and listen form as corporate and artificial. Those are two completely different topics I'm talking about.

Also, there were people around still doing things who rose to prominence before the Beatles hit America. Roy Orbison and The Everly Brothers, for example. Bob Dylan was on the scene before the Beatles, though he was Folk. And there were certainly others, though I don't remember them. I'm just saying it could be said the Beatles helped greatly to make it so that the industry had a hell of a time dictating and making fake groups and talentless talent, and filling the market with them prominently. The Music industry still did make fake and artificial groups and artsists, as it always has and always will, but the Beatles, by being so big and a hit, helped make it so that real groups were prominent in rock to a greater degree than there would have been without them, and brought in all these other guys not just with the British Invasion, but with American groups like The Byrds, and they injected life blood into Rock making for something of a Second Wave Renaissance. Though maybe that second wave of Rock artists would still come, and that that period where Elvis went into the army and then film and all those other first era icons went away was just a lull that we were already crawling out of with a second generation of rockers when the 60's came. And maybe I'm overstating how devastating that lull period was. The Beatles did certainly bring in a lot of people you would likely not have seen otherwise, though, and certainly did inject a lot of life blood and energy that was lacking in the genre. But maybe Rock wouldn't have been dead for a lack of it if the Beatles never were. Though they also shaped the discussion when it came to Rock, as it were. Though we should also keep in mind never to forget the less prominent artists who were on the scene who went a long way in changing music. For example, Sgt Pepper wasn't just pulled out of the Beatles butts. It was inspired by the Psychedellic groups rising on the West Coast of the US, and that Psychedellic scene overall which was rising and becoming popular. It helped exhibit it to a wider audience and helped popularize it, but it was already there.

Now that I've kinda thread-jacked this for the Beatles, maybe we should move back more towards Rock besides the Beatles for a lack of Elvis.:D
The reason I do bring in the Beatles is to address that second era after Rock hit a lull when the first era rockers fell away. And since the Beatles were the biggest of that time, they require discussion.
 
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I don't mean that Elvis made Rock into a corporate genre, and certainly not the Beatles. I mean that by being so big, perhaps it could be said Elvis made it so the suites got more into the genre and opened the door to them making it theirs, and artificially making marketable artists and groups who could be giant icons and drain the teens of their money.

Ah yes, I see. I think -- and hopefully I am getting it right this time -- the idea is Rock would have plenty of artists to keep it a vibrant genre, but without Elvis it wouldn't become nearly as ubiquitous in the musical marketplace and in society at large as OTL.

So this actually takes us nice and smoothly back to the OP -- and of how Rock does compared with other musical genres.
 
Ah yes, I see. I think -- and hopefully I am getting it right this time -- the idea is Rock would have plenty of artists to keep it a vibrant genre, but without Elvis it wouldn't become nearly as ubiquitous in the musical marketplace and in society at large as OTL.

So this actually takes us nice and smoothly back to the OP -- and of how Rock does compared with other musical genres.

I was focusing more on the artists than the genre. That Rock itself could still be as big, but by being such a giant icon perhaps Elvis (and maybe its not fair to say just Elvis) allowed all that corporate stuff to come in easier. Wack-a-mole with 100 moles being harder than with 10. Though what you said could also be argued as well; maybe Rock would be less ubiquitous without Elvis.
 
I don't see why there wouldn't be Rock, although it might take longer or so and be in a different form. People liked hearing Chuck Berry, but he was black. Eventually someone white would transfer the songs around, but probably not as well as Elvis.
 
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