AHC and WI: British Conquest of New Spain and Peru

Inspired by this ASB scenario...assuming that there is no American Revolution (either failed or butterflied away) and much of North America is remain under British rule, how much chance that in the alternate possible conflict with Spain the British are able to gain control of both Viceroyalties of New Spain and Peru? Is that ASB?

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Just look at what happened when the British tried to conquer an area like Rio de la Plata with less than 100.000 inhabitants.

Imagine trying to do the same in places with more than 10 times that population each, mountains, jungles, deserts and a hotter climate.

It's very ASB for this to happen. Peru is very easy to defend and Mexico is too much populated.
 
Hmm, I haven't read it...but I will, it looks interesting.
Are there British New Spain and Peru in that TL?

Very much so. Nicomacheus and myself collaborated with the author in the beginning, thought the next 45 pages of the thread of his timeline were all his work.

Here was a map of mine for the timeline and is somewhere in the actual thread itself

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Just look at what happened when the British tried to conquer an area like Rio de la Plata with less than 100.000 inhabitants.
I will argue that the long-term failure of the British to conquer Rio de la Plata was mainly caused by their refusal to promote the "independence" of Spanish colonies under British protection (thus becoming de facto British protectorates). And anyway, the British DID conquer Rio de la Plata...they occupied Buenos Aires for some times before being repealed by local forces...which was, like I stated above, caused by British unwillingness to conceal their imperialism (like what they did in India).

Imagine trying to do the same in places with more than 10 times that population each, mountains, jungles, deserts and a hotter climate.

It's very ASB for this to happen. Peru is very easy to defend and Mexico is too much populated.
Again, if the British were able to gain support from the locals by promising them a help to overthrown the Crown-appointed Viceroys and a great deal of autonomy...then why not?
 
I will argue that the long-term failure of the British to conquer Rio de la Plata was mainly caused by their refusal to promote the "independence" of Spanish colonies under British protection (thus becoming de facto British protectorates). And anyway, the British DID conquer Rio de la Plata...they occupied Buenos Aires for some times before being repealed by local forces...which was, like I stated above, caused by British unwillingness to conceal their imperialism (like what they did in India).

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The British kept some appearances up, sure, but I don't know what you're suggesting they do. Why would the peoples of Latin America want to turn into British puppets? You can get economic dominance of the region, but that's OTL anyway.
 
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The British kept some appearances up, sure, but I don't know what you're suggesting they do. Why would the peoples of Latin America want to turn into British puppets? You can get economic dominance of the region, but that's OTL anyway.

I was asking about how to turn the British economic dominance of Latin America into a political one...just like what happened to India.
 
I will argue that the long-term failure of the British to conquer Rio de la Plata was mainly caused by their refusal to promote the "independence" of Spanish colonies under British protection (thus becoming de facto British protectorates). And anyway, the British DID conquer Rio de la Plata...they occupied Buenos Aires for some times before being repealed by local forces...which was, like I stated above, caused by British unwillingness to conceal their imperialism (like what they did in India).

The problem is that Buenos Aires was one of the more anti-Spanish cities in America and was one of the most pro-British ones, because Buenos Aires was both far from the rest of the Spanish possesions and depended heavily on trade. If they screwed their chance in Buenos Aires where as you stated, they could create an independent nation which would become a defacto British protectorate(that's what I'm doing in my TL), then never mind trying in Mexico or Peru. If they ally with the Criollos, then they will have to do anything they want or they will turn against the British. If they ally with the Natives, then they will have the Criollos against them.


Again, if the British were able to gain support from the locals by promising them a help to overthrown the Crown-appointed Viceroys and a great deal of autonomy...then why not?

Manuel Belgrano said: "Queremos al antiguo amo o a ninguno" i.e : "We want the old lord or no one"
I think this shows the way of thinking of most of the intellectuals and Criollos in Spanish America.
 
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