AHC: American Revolution fails but the French Revolution still succeeds?

As is says on the tin, would it be possible for the American independence movement to fail but the French Revolution to proceed roughly as OTL? Of course the big dilemma is how the French government can spend enough money on the rebellion to bankrupt itself while simultaneously having that well funded rebellion fail to win independence for the colonists. Your thoughts?
 
As is says on the tin, would it be possible for the American independence movement to fail but the French Revolution to proceed roughly as OTL? Of course the big dilemma is how the French government can spend enough money on the rebellion to bankrupt itself while simultaneously having that well funded rebellion fail to win independence for the colonists. Your thoughts?

First off define succeed, because no matter how you look at OTL's French Revolution it was in many ways a failure. Do you want a constitutional monarchy under the Lafayette, radicals under which of the various leaders, some junta, or some dictator like Napoleon o end up ruling France. Because we must know the ends before we can explore the means.
 
First off define succeed, because no matter how you look at OTL's French Revolution it was in many ways a failure. Do you want a constitutional monarchy under the Lafayette, radicals under which of the various leaders, some junta, or some dictator like Napoleon o end up ruling France. Because we must know the ends before we can explore the means.
Well he said he wants the French Revolution to "proceed roughly as OTL" so I assume that means everything from the Bastille to Napoleon.
 
Well he said he wants the French Revolution to "proceed roughly as OTL" so I assume that means everything from the Bastille to Napoleon.

I'm hoping for a lot of leeway with that roughly, because it's borderline ASB to have anything near OTL's revolution with the American one failing. And also the French Revolution's end date varies from person to person, so I want to see if he's looking for Napoleon at the end of the road, the Directors, etc.
 
As is says on the tin, would it be possible for the American independence movement to fail but the French Revolution to proceed roughly as OTL? Of course the big dilemma is how the French government can spend enough money on the rebellion to bankrupt itself while simultaneously having that well funded rebellion fail to win independence for the colonists. Your thoughts?

One of the biggest change is that without a successful American Independance, Lafayette is not as popular as OTL so it can buttefly a large part of the first years of the Revolution, from 1789 to 1791...

The point is also about what happened to the most important American leaders and to the part of american population that was very involved in the Revolution :
- massive hangings as expected by Benjamin Franklin and massive repression : deportation to Australia, massive exode to Louisiana or Florida or behind the Appalaches to create some independant "Republics" as the Boers created in South Africa after loosing the Cape to the British.
- Are the British still need to maintain a large garrison in North America because the Rebels maintain a low level guerrilla ?
 
after official French involvement, there's no way to have the American Revolution fail, if failure means simply resetting the clock. Without a healthy dose of compromise on both sides, there will be no peace.

however, you can avoid French involvement in AR, and simply redirect their reckless spending in another direction, like maybe getting involved in a war of Bavarian Secession that ultimately ends up as OTL (so as not to upset the OTL scenario too much). The TTL AR will still end in compromise - there's only a slim margin for completely squashing the rebellion (especially if you retain the same bumbling Brits that blew the initial years) - but the amount of compromise each side gives will shift in favor of the Brits.

Under this unlikely scenario, it doesn't really affect the French too much in their revolution. The americans, if they're still feeling cocky are going to look at the occasion as an opportunity to try again. Or, they might have realized that it's not too bad to have home rule with British protection.
 
I think in the minds of most, any France that ends up under a crippled or restricted monarchy or anything resembling republican leadership counts as a successful revolution. It doesn't have to last, but it has to be considerable.
 
Well he said he wants the French Revolution to "proceed roughly as OTL" so I assume that means everything from the Bastille to Napoleon.

I should have been more specific, what I meant by the original post was the colonists don't get independence (anything short of that like dominion status is fine, point is they stay under the British crown) and then the French get rather upset at king Louis and chop off his head as per OTL. France staying republican or going Bonapartist as per OTL is fine, just so long as there isn't a quick restoration of the Bourbons.

TL;DR: The colonists end up with anything short of independence, Louis looses his head, and France stays Republican or stays Bonapartist at least as long as OTL.
 
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