AHC: American "managed democracy"

A far worse Great Depression leads to the GOP being permanently discredited and FDR managing to get some of his more authoritarian measures (I'm looking at you, court-packing) passed?
 
Continental Europe goes Communist in the 1917-1923 revolutionary wave, President Henry Ford sweeps in to save western civilization from "Judeo-Bolshevism". I'm working on this story right now.
 
A far worse Great Depression leads to the GOP being permanently discredited and FDR managing to get some of his more authoritarian measures (I'm looking at you, court-packing) passed?

Except FDR isn't a dictator nor will he be one the US has the advantage of a century of Democratic governance and tradition will Russian democracy had exactly squat
 
Continental Europe goes Communist in the 1917-1923 revolutionary wave, President Henry Ford sweeps in to save western civilization from "Judeo-Bolshevism". I'm working on this story right now.
Nice! I like this already.

Perhaps the various defeated Nationalist/Reactionary forces could have fled to Africa and formed a united government in exile. Under the leadership of the likes of engelbert dollfuss and Antonio de Salazar?
 
Except FDR isn't a dictator nor will he be one the US has the advantage of a century of Democratic governance and tradition will Russian democracy had exactly squat
Idk man trying to pack the Supreme Court and incarcerating an entire ethnic group in concentration camps seems pretty not democratic to me.
 
Idk man trying to pack the Supreme Court and incarcerating an entire ethnic group in concentration camps seems pretty not democratic to me.

Does Nixon at Watergate does Bush and the Patriot Act seem very democratic to you does Wilson who more or less passed legislation that made America into something like a police state in WW1 does Lincoln suspending habeas corpus seem very democratic? War is war and we always do un-democratic things in a war so please find me some evidence that proves FDR would overturn congress and declare himself dictator Bush wasn't a dictator neither was Nixon nor Wilson nor Lincoln find a better argument.
 
Does Nixon at Watergate does Bush and the Patriot Act seem very democratic to you does Wilson who more or less passed legislation that made America into something like a police state in WW1 does Lincoln suspending habeas corpus seem very democratic? War is war and we always do un-democratic things in a war so please find me some evidence that proves FDR would overturn congress and declare himself dictator Bush wasn't a dictator neither was Nixon nor Wilson nor Lincoln find a better argument.
Putin isn't a dictator either. He just has a government that follows him. FDR would have had every branch obeying him practically totally. That's a managed democracy.
 
Putin isn't a dictator either. He just has a government that follows him. FDR would have had every branch obeying him practically totally. That's a managed democracy.

Putin has served as prime minister or president of the Russian Federation since 2000 and actively suppresses dissidents and journalists FDR wouldn't have every branch obeying him totally because there is an actually opposing party that can do shit the GOP FDR would eventually be voted out the Republicans would eventually take control FDR would never have the level of control Putin would have.
 
Putin has served as prime minister or president of the Russian Federation since 2000 and actively suppresses dissidents and journalists FDR wouldn't have every branch obeying him totally because there is an actually opposing party that can do shit the GOP FDR would eventually be voted out the Republicans would eventually take control FDR would never have the level of control Putin would have.
The US has never been afraid to crush dissidents. Look at the Black Panthers.
 
Putin has served as prime minister or president of the Russian Federation since 2000 and actively suppresses dissidents and journalists FDR wouldn't have every branch obeying him totally because there is an actually opposing party that can do shit the GOP FDR would eventually be voted out the Republicans would eventually take control FDR would never have the level of control Putin would have.
Well, the scenario presupposes the GOP got permanently discredited by an even worse Great Depression (perhaps Andrew Mellon became President)
 
Either have Huey Long replacing FDR has president during the depression/WW2 or have Douglas MacArthur become the American Cassius or Caesar following a second American Civil war.
 
Would it be close enough to have Hughes win the Presidency in November 1916? Because then his Party would get the blame for the peace being a complete mess, allowing for President Alexander Mitchell Palmer in 1920, who'd continue and expand upon the authoritarian WW1 war measures with the assistance of J. Edgar Hoover.
 

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Would it be close enough to have Hughes win the Presidency in November 1916? Because then his Party would get the blame for the peace being a complete mess, allowing for President Alexander Mitchell Palmer in 1920, who'd continue and expand upon the authoritarian WW1 war measures with the assistance of J. Edgar Hoover.
Where would a "Red Scare" fall into this and fully national Jim Crow fall?
 
Where would a "Red Scare" fall into this and fully national Jim Crow fall?

Palmer was even more paranoid about Commie subversion than Hoover, but overplayed his hand IOTL by wrongly predicting a massive uprising on May Day 1920. That hysteria would have to die down eventually, and Palmer would certainly need to avoid making such a bad prediction to win an election, but that wouldn't stop him from using communism and anarchism as pretexts for his authoritarianism. I don't know what he specifically thought about segregation, but he was also extremely paranoid about black radicalism after the 1919 race riots, so probably not a sympathetic voice for civil rights, either. Not that that's surprising, he was like a more ambitious J. Edgar Hoover with even more radical authoritarian ideas.
 
Putin isn't a dictator either. He just has a government that follows him. FDR would have had every branch obeying him practically totally. That's a managed democracy.

This isen't really possible, because of the States. In Putin's Russia, the provincial leadership is appointed by the central government rather than by the residents of the territory, thereby allowing United Russia to translate its national majority into total rulership and prevent any "laboratories of democracy" from which opposition can form and build up its power base.

Unless you can somehow make governors appointed, rather than elected (Which won't happen), then at best you could have domination on the Federal level but still see "regions of dissent"
 
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