I meant the one used for Blackfoot, Cree, Carrier, and a few other languages and usually associated with Canadian First Nations languages, although the continuing use of Cherokee script certainly inspired me.
AHC Alternate or Surviving Languages
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Perhaps a Maghreb Romance language?
A highly successful early reconquest leading to the decline of Arabic in North africa, Latin revival?
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A highly successful early reconquest leading to the decline of Arabic in North africa, Latin revival?
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agreed there are so many Pods and timelines lets use and make them all
African Romance Already Existed if an earlier reconquest of spain possibly led by the franks in the 810s they could have also conquered north africa the languages could have had more germanic influence
As @htgriffin said, the Egyptiotes were a relatively small population, and that part of Egypt has a very large population.
Perfunctory research puts the Greek-Egyptian population in the 1950s at around 250,000. That part of Egypt currently has a population of at least 7 million. You've only given yourself 64 years (about 3 generations). Unless French "encouragement" consists of penning the Egyptiotes up and breeding them like rabbits, I don't see how this is workable without removing or sterilizing a lot of the preexisting population.
Language: Nowa Silesian
Official Language: Republic of Nowa Silesia
Region: Patagonia, small populations spread throughout South America
Family: Indo-European - Baltic-Slavic - Slavic - West Slavic - Lechitic - Nowa Silesian
Writing Script: Latin
Loan Words: Large influence on the language from immigrants, mainly Polish and Czech, also Russian, Spanish, and Ukrainian in smaller numbers.
History: Following Silesias integration into the Habsburg domain, much of the population, especially the nobility, decided to leave and found a Silesian state in the New World. Landing in the southern lands of Patagonia, the Silesian quickly developed a thriving republic, though it was essentially an oligarchy ran by the nobility. Due to its low starting population, Nowa Silesia was forced to rely on immigration to grow the nation, and as such the language has a heavy influence from various Slavic and non-Slavic tongues.
Official Language: Republic of Nowa Silesia
Region: Patagonia, small populations spread throughout South America
Family: Indo-European - Baltic-Slavic - Slavic - West Slavic - Lechitic - Nowa Silesian
Writing Script: Latin
Loan Words: Large influence on the language from immigrants, mainly Polish and Czech, also Russian, Spanish, and Ukrainian in smaller numbers.
History: Following Silesias integration into the Habsburg domain, much of the population, especially the nobility, decided to leave and found a Silesian state in the New World. Landing in the southern lands of Patagonia, the Silesian quickly developed a thriving republic, though it was essentially an oligarchy ran by the nobility. Due to its low starting population, Nowa Silesia was forced to rely on immigration to grow the nation, and as such the language has a heavy influence from various Slavic and non-Slavic tongues.
Gamal Abled Nasser Planned to use all of the egyptian population to defend against invaders if the british french and israelis win then we see a reality of a lot of the population getting removed
While thinking on an alternate origin for the Basque language...
Language: Hunnic (Unur)
Region: South Ukraine, Tatarstan
Family: Turkic > Oghur > West Oghur > Hunnic
Writing Script: A variety of Old Turkic script.
Loan Words: Due to the nomad nature of Huns, they got some few loans from iranic peoples, mostly related to provisions (food, drink).
History: The only known works in hunnic were the Advisor Rolls, found in an old chapel, containg copies of decrees in many languages, allowing to discover the true nature of the hunnic language. These old works allowed to know how a severe famine pushed most of the nomadic peoples into the Roman empire, coliding with Romans, Goths and many peoples. Also, had the writer observations of the common life of huns.
The most conclusive proof of the turkish nature of hunnic language is on the first roll: The hunnic tamgha "ɣͱ"
Language: Hunnic (Unur)
Region: South Ukraine, Tatarstan
Family: Turkic > Oghur > West Oghur > Hunnic
Writing Script: A variety of Old Turkic script.
Loan Words: Due to the nomad nature of Huns, they got some few loans from iranic peoples, mostly related to provisions (food, drink).
History: The only known works in hunnic were the Advisor Rolls, found in an old chapel, containg copies of decrees in many languages, allowing to discover the true nature of the hunnic language. These old works allowed to know how a severe famine pushed most of the nomadic peoples into the Roman empire, coliding with Romans, Goths and many peoples. Also, had the writer observations of the common life of huns.
The most conclusive proof of the turkish nature of hunnic language is on the first roll: The hunnic tamgha "ɣͱ"
Language: Baghdad German
Region: Baghdad and surrounding areas
Family: Indo-European -> Germanic -> West Germanic -> High German -> German -> Baghdad German
Writing Script: Latin, Arabic
Loan words: 67% arabic 10% hebrew
History: Hanseatic League somehow manages to set up a trade route to baghdad and over time a variety of german was created in baghdad and was spread nearby through trade routes and the new language baghdad german also adopted arabic script for writing alongside arabic and is the seccond official language in iraq and is also a heritage language of the deutche-arabic ethinicity
Region: Baghdad and surrounding areas
Family: Indo-European -> Germanic -> West Germanic -> High German -> German -> Baghdad German
Writing Script: Latin, Arabic
Loan words: 67% arabic 10% hebrew
History: Hanseatic League somehow manages to set up a trade route to baghdad and over time a variety of german was created in baghdad and was spread nearby through trade routes and the new language baghdad german also adopted arabic script for writing alongside arabic and is the seccond official language in iraq and is also a heritage language of the deutche-arabic ethinicity
[ you might not get a reply for days or longer, AH conlanging is a rather obscure pastime and it takes time to think up new ones ]
no you dont have to make an entire language just an overview of it
there are many examples already
Saxon [Sahsisk in Saxon]
Official Language: Stem duchy of Saxony [only used in the Christian world, endonym is "heritogdôm Sahson", where the words "heritogo" means non-christian king instead of OTL duke]
Language Family: Indo European -> Germanic -> Northsea-Germanic [OTL Northwest Germanic] -> West Germanic [excludes High German dialects which include High Frankish and Langobardic, them forming South Germanic] -> Ingvaeonic -> Saxon
Writing Script: Runic [more accurate a unified modernized Anglo-Frisian one being used in the entire European Heathen world]
Loan words: mostly Saxo-Frisian, Norse [either Western for things from the Atlantic, New World or Africa. While Eastern for things from the Uralic world, East Slavic world or further Islamic-Eurasian world. With dialectal influence from a West Norse dialect in the Dane islands or Denïôiƿa in romanized Saxon], some minor Frankish [OTL word for German dialects inside the North Frankish realm [basically East Francia but with a bit more western territories]] and Latin for Christian things or local interaction (only in South Saxon dialects), Polabian influence in East Saxon dialects and local sects (most loanword are either for the household, place names, animals or for Saxon-Slavic religious sects popular in Obotritia
History: After the liberation of Frisia and the conquest of Frankish border regions after the grand defeat of the Frankish menace. Both Old Frisian and Old Saxon "devolution" back into a mostly unified Ingvaeonic language (except insular English) with Saxon being the dominant force through the century long unification of both tongues with actual Saxon and Frisian acting as dialect groups. After the integration of Jutland (which ATL is mostly Ingvaeonic with Norse influence) and the conquest of Obotritia, came some Polabian and Norse (from the Danish dialect) influence in the dialects of the regions, with Polabian words mostly for wild life, the household or religious Saxon-Slavic sects in Obotritia. During the Norse high age came a bunch of Norse loanwords and more influence in the coastal cities and Jutland. Words describing things in the New World, Andalus and Africa mainly coming through Væstríki while information and words from the Islamic, East Slavic, Uralic and Eurasian world coming through Gautrike. Frankish loanwords are few outside of border dialects through limited trade. Latin loanwords almost don't exist outside of Pre-Saxon loanwords. If anything Latin/Frankish loanwords are only for Christian things, like Christ, Churche for Abrahamic house of worship etc. Also native words changed meaning, like kuniŋ and kuniŋdôm is only used in the sense of Abrahamic rulers/realms, god is only used in the sense of the Abrahamic god, other gods regardless of non-Abrahamic religions are called ôs, plural ôse. If we compare it with ATL English, then you can imagine Saxo-Frisian being a mix of OTL Icelandic and North Korean... Korean, less loanwords, more linguistic purism and more archaic features. Also thanks to Pagan Saxony not having such bad relations with the Jews like the Christians, there was a major exodus from Jews and Roma from Christian lands to þjœtic (Germanic paganism) Saxony where the Roma could worship their ôse and Jews work without restrictions, thus we have minor Judeo-Saxon and Romani influence in some bigger cities, as well as a few Saxons worshipping Vedic ôse like Kali.
Heres's a rough map of Saxony and it's languages. The dots represent a minority language/dialect in the region;
Official Language: Stem duchy of Saxony [only used in the Christian world, endonym is "heritogdôm Sahson", where the words "heritogo" means non-christian king instead of OTL duke]
Language Family: Indo European -> Germanic -> Northsea-Germanic [OTL Northwest Germanic] -> West Germanic [excludes High German dialects which include High Frankish and Langobardic, them forming South Germanic] -> Ingvaeonic -> Saxon
Writing Script: Runic [more accurate a unified modernized Anglo-Frisian one being used in the entire European Heathen world]
Loan words: mostly Saxo-Frisian, Norse [either Western for things from the Atlantic, New World or Africa. While Eastern for things from the Uralic world, East Slavic world or further Islamic-Eurasian world. With dialectal influence from a West Norse dialect in the Dane islands or Denïôiƿa in romanized Saxon], some minor Frankish [OTL word for German dialects inside the North Frankish realm [basically East Francia but with a bit more western territories]] and Latin for Christian things or local interaction (only in South Saxon dialects), Polabian influence in East Saxon dialects and local sects (most loanword are either for the household, place names, animals or for Saxon-Slavic religious sects popular in Obotritia
History: After the liberation of Frisia and the conquest of Frankish border regions after the grand defeat of the Frankish menace. Both Old Frisian and Old Saxon "devolution" back into a mostly unified Ingvaeonic language (except insular English) with Saxon being the dominant force through the century long unification of both tongues with actual Saxon and Frisian acting as dialect groups. After the integration of Jutland (which ATL is mostly Ingvaeonic with Norse influence) and the conquest of Obotritia, came some Polabian and Norse (from the Danish dialect) influence in the dialects of the regions, with Polabian words mostly for wild life, the household or religious Saxon-Slavic sects in Obotritia. During the Norse high age came a bunch of Norse loanwords and more influence in the coastal cities and Jutland. Words describing things in the New World, Andalus and Africa mainly coming through Væstríki while information and words from the Islamic, East Slavic, Uralic and Eurasian world coming through Gautrike. Frankish loanwords are few outside of border dialects through limited trade. Latin loanwords almost don't exist outside of Pre-Saxon loanwords. If anything Latin/Frankish loanwords are only for Christian things, like Christ, Churche for Abrahamic house of worship etc. Also native words changed meaning, like kuniŋ and kuniŋdôm is only used in the sense of Abrahamic rulers/realms, god is only used in the sense of the Abrahamic god, other gods regardless of non-Abrahamic religions are called ôs, plural ôse. If we compare it with ATL English, then you can imagine Saxo-Frisian being a mix of OTL Icelandic and North Korean... Korean, less loanwords, more linguistic purism and more archaic features. Also thanks to Pagan Saxony not having such bad relations with the Jews like the Christians, there was a major exodus from Jews and Roma from Christian lands to þjœtic (Germanic paganism) Saxony where the Roma could worship their ôse and Jews work without restrictions, thus we have minor Judeo-Saxon and Romani influence in some bigger cities, as well as a few Saxons worshipping Vedic ôse like Kali.
Heres's a rough map of Saxony and it's languages. The dots represent a minority language/dialect in the region;
Your scenario is Great and Really creative i am inspired to make more language maps
(OOC Reminder: This is obviously different from OTL Finnish (and Finland), as the latter is Uralic; I've maintained the toponym "Finn" for this scenario, as explained in this Wiktionary entry)
Language: Finnish (autonym: Lüğoravèl'èn jilüjil)
Official language: Finland (national), European Union and Sibero-American Economic Community (international)
Region: Finnic peninsula (OTL Finland, Karelia, northern Sweden and Norway)
Family: Beringian (OTL: Chukotko-Kamchatkan) - Northern Beringian (Chukotkan) - Finnish
Writing System: Runic
Loanwords:
Paleo-Finnic (extinct, substratum), Hunnic-Yeniseian, Turkic, Indo-European (Baltic and Germanic; Latin was introduced during Christianization
History:
Of Beringian (northeast Siberian) origin, the ancestors of present-day Finnish population had migrated westward in response to the economic and political circumstances, particularly the formation of Itelmen empire and Hunnic/Xiongnu confederation; the first wave were composed of most Maritime (sea mammal hunters and fishermen) and half of the Reindeer clans, either through their kayaks sailing across the Arctic coast or through inland; upon their arrival in their homeland, they've encountered scattered clans of hunter-gathereres, of whom they've intermingled, both through armed conflict and intermarriage. The second wave came from the rest of the Reindeer clans who became semi-nomadized and learned basic agriculture, as they were part of the Yeniseian-dominated Xiongnu/Hunnic nomadic confederation. The northward migration of the latter and their eventual encounter with the former had led to the transformation of their speech: Alongside spreading loanwords to each other, the phonology was changed as a result of their exposure to other ethnic groups (e.g. The transformation of proto-Chukutko-Kamchatkan phonemes /w/ (into /b/), the initial /ŋ/ into /g/ and the appearance of voiceless fricatives). In addition, the pastoralized Reindeer clans had introduced writing through their adoption of the runic alphabet, which was thought to be the previous writing system of the Xiongnu/Hunnic confederation.
Language: Finnish (autonym: Lüğoravèl'èn jilüjil)
Official language: Finland (national), European Union and Sibero-American Economic Community (international)
Region: Finnic peninsula (OTL Finland, Karelia, northern Sweden and Norway)
Family: Beringian (OTL: Chukotko-Kamchatkan) - Northern Beringian (Chukotkan) - Finnish
Writing System: Runic
Loanwords:
Paleo-Finnic (extinct, substratum), Hunnic-Yeniseian, Turkic, Indo-European (Baltic and Germanic; Latin was introduced during Christianization
History:
Of Beringian (northeast Siberian) origin, the ancestors of present-day Finnish population had migrated westward in response to the economic and political circumstances, particularly the formation of Itelmen empire and Hunnic/Xiongnu confederation; the first wave were composed of most Maritime (sea mammal hunters and fishermen) and half of the Reindeer clans, either through their kayaks sailing across the Arctic coast or through inland; upon their arrival in their homeland, they've encountered scattered clans of hunter-gathereres, of whom they've intermingled, both through armed conflict and intermarriage. The second wave came from the rest of the Reindeer clans who became semi-nomadized and learned basic agriculture, as they were part of the Yeniseian-dominated Xiongnu/Hunnic nomadic confederation. The northward migration of the latter and their eventual encounter with the former had led to the transformation of their speech: Alongside spreading loanwords to each other, the phonology was changed as a result of their exposure to other ethnic groups (e.g. The transformation of proto-Chukutko-Kamchatkan phonemes /w/ (into /b/), the initial /ŋ/ into /g/ and the appearance of voiceless fricatives). In addition, the pastoralized Reindeer clans had introduced writing through their adoption of the runic alphabet, which was thought to be the previous writing system of the Xiongnu/Hunnic confederation.
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Language: Yiglish
Area Spoken: A patois spoken by Jewish Americans handed down maternally like Judaism itself.
Speaker Number: around 6-10 mil(rough number of Jewish Americans)
Language Family: Indo-European>Germanic>West Germanic>Elbe Germanic>High German>Yiddish>Yiglish
Script: Latin(in order to satisfy assimilation attempts), Something like this: http://www.geocities.ws/michaelpeterfustumum/yiddish_latin_alphabet.htm. Orthodox people use Hebrew script
Loanwords: ~40% English, ~15% hebrew, 10-15% Slavic
Grammatical Features: Maybe it would not have gender or have just male/female(in one) and neuter like Dutch or something
Edit: I actually have my own thread about this, you guys can check it out here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...yiddish-as-their-main-native-language.492904/
Area Spoken: A patois spoken by Jewish Americans handed down maternally like Judaism itself.
Speaker Number: around 6-10 mil(rough number of Jewish Americans)
Language Family: Indo-European>Germanic>West Germanic>Elbe Germanic>High German>Yiddish>Yiglish
Script: Latin(in order to satisfy assimilation attempts), Something like this: http://www.geocities.ws/michaelpeterfustumum/yiddish_latin_alphabet.htm. Orthodox people use Hebrew script
Loanwords: ~40% English, ~15% hebrew, 10-15% Slavic
Grammatical Features: Maybe it would not have gender or have just male/female(in one) and neuter like Dutch or something
Edit: I actually have my own thread about this, you guys can check it out here: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...yiddish-as-their-main-native-language.492904/
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