AHC: Alternate ethnic movements and migrations?

I've always been interested in an early push from the Mediterannean (Phoenicians/Carthaginians, but perhaps also Greeks or Romans) down the coast of Africa into Senegambia. Senegambia as part of the "known" world - What was stopping it? Imagine the colonies founded by Hanno flourishing into a new civilization, and Carthaginian refugees fleeing to it as the Greeks and Romans become top dogs in the western Mediterranean.

Long-term Iranic (Scythian or Sarmatian) dominance over Eastern Europe instead of the Slavs is also interesting.

Also, imagine a Swahili coast that, instead a Bantu-Arabic lingua franca, gets Bantu-Tamil, Bantu-Farsi, or Bantu-Amharic instead. Maybe even Bantu-Greek if trade ties take off early enough.
 
I’ve always wondered about the effects if Mansa Qu succeeded in his voyage to the Americas, and managed to found a successful settler colony in Brazil or the Caribbean
Effects on the new world of having native African colonization almost two centuries earlier notwithstanding, the effects on Mali would be huge as well, just in terms of the extra wealth, the domination of a SECOND major trade route, and without the abdication, a more stable line of succession
We could see a transatlantic African empire surviving till the modern day, and somehow being EVEN RICHER than the modern day
I mean imagine an alternate hajj with not just gold but exotic new world goods flooding the Mediterranean market
 

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Wew dude chill chill, we don't want a Weimar tier global hyperinflation for the next 500 years x'D
 
Hey I mean way too much silver basically destroyed the Spanish empire otl so what better way to screw with Europe enough to secure Malian hegemony than to flood the continent with gold
 
I've always been interested in an early push from the Mediterannean (Phoenicians/Carthaginians, but perhaps also Greeks or Romans) down the coast of Africa into Senegambia. Senegambia as part of the "known" world - What was stopping it? Imagine the colonies founded by Hanno flourishing into a new civilization, and Carthaginian refugees fleeing to it as the Greeks and Romans become top dogs in the western Mediterranean.

Long-term Iranic (Scythian or Sarmatian) dominance over Eastern Europe instead of the Slavs is also interesting.

Also, imagine a Swahili coast that, instead a Bantu-Arabic lingua franca, gets Bantu-Tamil, Bantu-Farsi, or Bantu-Amharic instead. Maybe even Bantu-Greek if trade ties take off early enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Bojador
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara

Those two obstacles (although there's other dangerous areas offshore of the region) severely hindered contact between the Mediterranean and the Sahel for a very long time. It wasn't impossible, it was just extremely challenging and a good way to lose a significant amount of men/ships. Best way would be to have the camel more widespread in North Africa early on, since IIRC camels were relatively rare there until the Arabs came. Better shipbuilding and navigation would help too.

Although Hanno is traditionally credited with exploring the region, the best chance for more Mediterranean contact might be with the Roman Empire. Have the Romans move into the rest of modern Morocco by the 2nd century, and enter into intensive trade with the Canaries (home to precious dyes among other goods). At the same time, have camels spread through North Africa earlier than OTL. Perhaps Roman shipbuilding might advance to trade with the Canarians (and maybe be used for other Atlantic trade too), and eventually Roman navigators find a good route to the Senegambia region, which combines with an earlier trans-Saharan trade. In the late 2nd/early 3rd century, an alt-Severan dynasty (perhaps overtly focused on Africa due to their Punic/Berber origins), the Canaries are conquered, and coastal areas of Senegambia are subdued as well. Veteran colonies are then established there. Even during later crises in the Roman Empire, they always maintain some control over the region, until it passes into the hands of the Romanised local elite later on.

Long term result is certain ports of West Africa (i.e. OTL Dakar) and their immediate hinterlands speaking a unique Romance language. I think it would be somewhat similar to African Romance, since a large part of the soldiers being settled might be natives of Africa (and thus Berber/Punic-speaking), but also extensively influenced by whichever African group(s) lived there in Antiquity. Culturally they'd have some Mediterranean traditions but also many local traditions, and appearance-wise they'd probably be slightly lighter-skinned than surrounding ethnic groups.

Hey I mean way too much silver basically destroyed the Spanish empire otl so what better way to screw with Europe enough to secure Malian hegemony than to flood the continent with gold

It might be pretty helpful to Europe since IIRC at the time of the discovery of the Americas the supply of precious metals was low.
 
  • Catholic Andalusian, Sephardi Jew and Christianized Muslim of Spain migrations to the Philippines.
  • Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, and Javanese migrations to Latin America (countries that speak Spanish and Portuguese today).
  • French and Javanese migrations to Australia.
  • Sub-Saharan migrations to Europe and Asia.
  • Japanese or Russian migrations to Alaska.
 
Basically what it says on the tin. Anything from ancient tribal migrations to modern immigration patterns to industrial era immigration.
Basque migration into Greenland and North America. Basque whalers had been active for centuries, they reached both locations. Maybe early whaling outpost lead to permanent settlements of both locations.
 
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Continuation of my earlier post:
  • Rukai people migrating to extreme points of Malay Peninsula:
    • Northern Rukai to Greater Kedah (OTL Kedah, Penang and Perlis)
    • Southern Rukai to Temasek Archipelago (OTL Singapore and most of Riau Archipelago)
  • African Romance to Corsica
  • Tsakonians to a Doric-speaking Sicily and Calabria
 
  • Catholic Andalusian, Sephardi Jew and Christianized Muslim of Spain migrations to the Philippines.
  • Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, and Javanese migrations to Latin America (countries that speak Spanish and Portuguese today).
  • French and Javanese migrations to Australia.
  • Sub-Saharan migrations to Europe and Asia.
  • Japanese or Russian migrations to Alaska.
I think Moriscos can go to Visayas they will be more useful for the sultanates or the spanish.
 
Zanzibar coast gets influenced by whoever controls Hormuz. Might actually get under Zoroastrian Persian and Nestorian Aramaic influence.

Lets imagine Punic Donatist Malta, a Ternatian North Australia, a Scottish Canada or African Romance diaspora in Macaronesia (they are the heirs of Carthaginian seamen, right?)
 
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