AHC: All major nations agree to punish terrorists with death penalty

With a PoD no earlier than the Lockerbie Bombing in 1988, create a scenario in which all people who commit terrorism after any certain date receive a mandatory death sentence in all of Eurasia, Canada, the USA, Mexico, Cuba, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Australia, New Zealand, Egypt, Algeria, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania, Libya, Tunisia, and Morocco.

Bonus points if either
1, the Council of Europe is disbanded due to member states leaving (the Council of Europe bans the death penalty);
2, all countries, internationally recognized or not, have a mandatory death sentence on terrorism as a crime; or
3, the standard methods of terrorist execution in at least five countries are worthy of a Vlad Tepes.

Are you aware of how rare mandatory death sentences are for anything--even in countries with the death penalty? In 2017, "Mandatory death sentences continued to be imposed in Brunei Darussalam, Ghana, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and Trinidad and Tobago." That's eleven nations out of the forty-seven that had any death sentences at all. And I doubt that any of those eleven can be considered "major" nations. https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/ACT5079552018ENGLISH.PDF

To expect all nations--even all major nations--to do what no major nation does today is quite unrealistic. The US itself did not adopt a mandatory death sentence for terrorism after 9/11.
 
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And even if such things would be accepted this would be gift of Heaven to every terrorist organisations and lone wolves. Not only for Islamists but others too. Norweigian terrorist Breivik even wished death penalty and was quiet dissapointed that he wasn't executed. Any reasonable doesn't want make terrorist martyr. Being alive is pretty much worst punishment for terrorist when he can't die for his views.

Our local Breivik impersonator is either going to spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement or the rest of his life in a psychiatric ward (depends on the psychiatric reports). No glamour, no glory, just another sixty years sitting in a room, looking at the wall. He'll never even get to see one of his precious Youtube videos or internet memes ever again.
 
Highly impossible.

Putting aside moral concerns for a moment, mandatory sentences are usually considered bad by jurists as the case circumstances would be ignored in sentencing, thus the purpose of detering people to keep their acts less violent is disregarded, then the perp may decided to do it in most violent to secure most gain.
 
Pretty much impossible.

The USA is the exception not the rule when it comes to democracies with death penalty. Even the Catholic Church is now against it.

Basically if your country is governed by human rights the death penalty is out.
 
With a PoD no earlier than the Lockerbie Bombing in 1988, create a scenario in which all people who commit terrorism after any certain date receive a mandatory death sentence in all of Eurasia, Canada, the USA, Mexico, Cuba, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Australia, New Zealand, Egypt, Algeria, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania, Libya, Tunisia, and Morocco.

Not going to happen in the UK. Even after the IRA actually killed a member of the royal family, an MP, and tried to blow up the cabinet, Parliament never even got close to reintroducing the death penalty.
 

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I think the only trigger to make this happen would be a major reversal for mankind.

Pestilence, famine, another mini ice age and limited nuclear war could re introduce totalitarianism.

The beauty of the death penalty to such a regime is that it is cheap, time limited and sends out a warning to the masses to toe the line.
 
Our local Breivik impersonator is either going to spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement or the rest of his life in a psychiatric ward (depends on the psychiatric reports). No glamour, no glory, just another sixty years sitting in a room, looking at the wall. He'll never even get to see one of his precious Youtube videos or internet memes ever again.

I bet soon, he will be allowed internet access, as a right, it is slowly spreading into the prison system.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/71102246/null
 
I bet soon, he will be allowed internet access, as a right, it is slowly spreading into the prison system.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/71102246/null

That's an educational programme, to help with literacy and numeracy (and in any case, involves exactly twelve sites, none of them entertainment related). Our little friend will not be accessing that.

From a legal perspective, the most interesting question is whether this will be the first case of a life sentence without a parole period (allowed under the 2010 Sentencing Reform), or whether the judge will simply issue a ludicrous minimum non-parole period (120 years, or something). De facto, it amounts to the same thing - this guy is never going to be released.
 
Agree with punishing terrorists with death penalty in principle since it is apparently the option with the lowest cost compared to the alternatives (which all entail keeping them alive with the possibility of freedom later on) notwithstanding the criticism that it gives terrorists what they want, that said in the event they are captured alive they should be made living examples of in being rendered dependents unable to look after themselves let alone propagate offspring to dissuade others from seeing them as "heroes".

Our local Breivik impersonator is either going to spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement or the rest of his life in a psychiatric ward (depends on the psychiatric reports). No glamour, no glory, just another sixty years sitting in a room, looking at the wall. He'll never even get to see one of his precious Youtube videos or internet memes ever again.

Wish it were truly the case, such individuals nowadays appear to end up becoming objects of hybristophilia (aka prison brides / groupies, etc) and there have even been instances where the latter opportunistically has the former's children (including one or more examples IIRC via envelopes, etc).
 
That's an educational programme, to help with literacy and numeracy (and in any case, involves exactly twelve sites, none of them entertainment related). Our little friend will not be accessing that..

In Europe, Finland passed a law that internet access is a basic right. Prisoners there have access, it is spreading. On Mar 31, 2017 - The UN has declared internet access a basic human right. New Zealand will get it too certainly in the 60+ years this guy has.


https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Right_to_Internet_access

Wish it were truly the case, such individuals nowadays appear to end up becoming objects of hybristophilia (aka prison brides / groupies, etc) and there have even been instances where the latter opportunistically has the former's children (including one or more examples IIRC via envelopes, etc).

They often do release them. In my state Victoria in Australia, they had a murderer and rather than execute him, they passed a law in parliament that he was never ever to be released. 28 years later he was released.
 
In Europe, Finland passed a law that internet access is a basic right. Prisoners there have access, it is spreading. On Mar 31, 2017 - The UN has declared internet access a basic human right. New Zealand will get it too certainly in the 60+ years this guy has.

In practice, any internet access prison inmates in Finland have is very limited. Internet access in Finland is a right essentially because everyone has the right to constitutionally guaranteed state services and some of those services are increasingly only available online. This then does not mean that everyone has the right to unlimited internet use. So far, I believe the inmates' right to the internet has practically amounted to being able to use a monitored joint (per prison) email account for personal communications (equivalent of personal phone calls) and some pilot projects of allowing inmates some time to use common laptops in monitored conditions, for limited purposes like studying or job-seeking (for those about to be released in the near future, naturally). Now there is a project in the works to create a separate, secure network for inmate use, to allow those in prison to use such state services that are a legal right, while restricting access to anything else. So, basically, it is a "convict portal", monitored access with limited functionality.

This is all fairly far removed from allowing inmates free (as in unlimited) internet access, which is how some might interpret your message.
 
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Are you aware of how rare mandatory death sentences are for anything--even in countries with the death penalty? In 2017, "Mandatory death sentences continued to be imposed in Brunei Darussalam, Ghana, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and Trinidad and Tobago." That's eleven nations out of the forty-seven that had any death sentences at all. And I doubt that any of those eleven can be considered "major" nations. https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/ACT5079552018ENGLISH.PDF

To expect all nations--even all major nations--to do what no major nation does today is quite unrealistic. The US itself did not adopt a mandatory death sentence for terrorism after 9/11.

I'm sure these four that I bolded are at least middle powers, two of which have nuclear capability. Is that not major enough for you? And for a country its size, Singapore is definitely relevant enough on the international stage.
 
I'm sure these four that I bolded are at least middle powers, two of which have nuclear capability. Is that not major enough for you? And for a country its size, Singapore is definitely relevant enough on the international stage.

You really expect the US--let alone western Europe!--to adopt the criminal law of Iran or Pakistan? And no, a horrendous terrorist attack wouldn't make them do so--after 9/11 even the US, which has by far the most executions of any democracy, did not adopt a mandatory death sentence for terrorism.

A good many countries have literally not had an execution for over a century. (A number of Latin American countries, also Sweden, Portugal, and Iceland which last had one as a Danish colony in 1830!) Many others haven't had any since the 1940's (including Germany, Italy, Norway, etc.) All these and many other countries are supposed to suddenly jump from no executions to mandatory executions? (And again, no, a terrible terrorist incident won't do it--Breivik didn't cause Norway to restore capital punishment, let alone to enact mandatory capital punishment. Nor is New Zealand going to do so.)
 
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In practice, any internet access prison inmates in Finland have is very limited. Internet access in Finland is a right essentially because everyone has the right to constitutionally guaranteed state services and some of those services are increasingly only available online. This then does not mean that everyone has the right to unlimited internet use. So far, I believe the inmates' right to the internet has practically amounted to being able to use a monitored joint (per prison) email account for personal communications (equivalent of personal phone calls) and some pilot projects of allowing inmates some time to use common laptops in monitored conditions, for limited purposes like studying or job-seeking (for those about to be released in the near future, naturally). Now there is a project in the works to create a separate, secure network for inmate use, to allow those in prison to use such state services that are a legal right, while restricting access to anything else. So, basically, it is a "convict portal", monitored access with limited functionality.

This is all fairly far removed from allowing inmates free (as in unlimited) internet access, which is how some might interpret your message.

Ten years ago there was none and in 10 years time, I would expect that these inmates will be allowed more access still, the other issue is that as time moves on, the internet is becoming more important, devices are getting attached to it. It will get harder to restrict access to it.
 
The best examples of the death penalty for terrorism in Easter 1916.
The terrorists involved numbers were only 0.3% of when compared with those who went to the western front.
The fact that the unpopular criminals were hung turned them into martyrs and hero’s for their cause.
Compared to the troubles, most of the people involved, served time at HMP Belfast or HMP Maze wouldn’t get involved again in terrorist activities.
 
The best examples of the death penalty for terrorism in Easter 1916.
The terrorists involved numbers were only 0.3% of when compared with those who went to the western front.
The fact that the unpopular criminals were hung turned them into martyrs and hero’s for their cause.
Compared to the troubles, most of the people involved, served time at HMP Belfast or HMP Maze wouldn’t get involved again in terrorist activities.

Here is another example the assassination of Lord Moyne, the British Resident Minister of the. The Middle East,

https://scholarworks.uno.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2857&context=td
 
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