AHC: Algeria joins the EU

Make an independent Algeria join the EU or an alternate equivalent, most likely by exploiting the whole 'integral part of France' as a proof of its European-ness. The POD can be as back as the 19th century.

Bonus point if it enters the Euro.
 

CaliGuy

Banned
Make an independent Algeria join the EU or an alternate equivalent, most likely by exploiting the whole 'integral part of France' as a proof of its European-ness. The POD can be as back as the 19th century.

Bonus point if it enters the Euro.
Butterfly away both World Wars; in turn, this should allow more Europeans to settle in Algeria. Also, once the Algerian Arabs rebel against French rule in this TL, France isn't going to be humbled by the experience of both World Wars and thus would engage in mass deportations of Algerian Arabs to the interior of Algeria (and/or perhaps to Tunisia and/or to Morocco). Thus, coastal Algeria becomes European-majority and permanently remains a part of France. Sometime later, when an E.U. is created, France--along with coastal Algeria--joins both the E.U. and the Eurozone.

There--does that work for this?
 
Algeria votes to remain a part of France in the 1950s (assuming the French hold a referendum. The Nationalists largely fade away as Algeria is integrated into France economically and politically. It is a part of France when they join the EU.
 
Butterfly away both World Wars; in turn, this should allow more Europeans to settle in Algeria. Also, once the Algerian Arabs rebel against French rule in this TL, France isn't going to be humbled by the experience of both World Wars and thus would engage in mass deportations of Algerian Arabs to the interior of Algeria (and/or perhaps to Tunisia and/or to Morocco). Thus, coastal Algeria becomes European-majority and permanently remains a part of France. Sometime later, when an E.U. is created, France--along with coastal Algeria--joins both the E.U. and the Eurozone.

There--does that work for this?
Sorry it must be independent
 
Make an independent Algeria join the EU or an alternate equivalent, most likely by exploiting the whole 'integral part of France' as a proof of its European-ness. The POD can be as back as the 19th century.

Bonus point if it enters the Euro.

Doesn't really work. Butterfly effect and all that.


Marokko tried to join the EC in 1987 and was refused with the reasoning that it is neither geographically or culturally european.

With a pod predating the establishment of the coal and steel union you could butterfly the entire thing away.
 

cgomes

Banned
No way in hell Algeria's going to use the "integral part of France" card. They fought and died to get away from France.

There must be another way, political POD after Algerian independence most likely.
 
It's not going to happen, unless the EU we're talking about have nothing to do with the EU which exist in OTL.
 
Make an independent Algeria join the EU or an alternate equivalent, most likely by exploiting the whole 'integral part of France' as a proof of its European-ness. The POD can be as back as the 19th century.

Bonus point if it enters the Euro.
19th century?

1830, France does little more than a punitive raid and turns the Beylik into a lightly run protectorate. Algiers enters the European state system (including both diplomatic and economic network) in earnest largely due to revolutions of 1848 and the political acumen of elder statesman Abdelkader, then Tunis and Morocco join in.

<cue massive butterfly nets>

After over a century of cross-Mediterranean contact the Maghreb in general are considered no less European than the Balkans. Given the general anti-Communist stance the Grand Duchy of Algeria (the monarch never bothered to declare himself king), he was the first state there to join the EEC in 1965.
 
Make an independent Algeria join the EU or an alternate equivalent, most likely by exploiting the whole 'integral part of France' as a proof of its European-ness. The POD can be as back as the 19th century.

Bonus point if it enters the Euro.

Not if it doesn't hold a piece of Europe, like Turkey. Hell, it has worse chances than Turkey in entering the EU because of this. >_>
 
I don't think any TL where Algeria is independent can achieve that without ASB.

Algeria as part of France in the EU is more plausible (but the difficulty is getting EU formed if Algeria is part of France)
 
I don't think any TL where Algeria is independent can achieve that without ASB.

Algeria as part of France in the EU is more plausible (but the difficulty is getting EU formed if Algeria is part of France)

Algeria was a member of the eec prior to independence. It was often mentioned as the only country other than the uk to leave the eu or it's predecessors. Which I assume is why this question is asked.

I think the only reasonable way to do it is have Algerian independence go differently, the majority of the country becomes independent but an area of the coast becomes European majority and remains with France. That 'costal algeria' remains part of the eec and then joins whatever eu comes out of that and then afterwards coastal Algeria become independent afterwards and for whatever reason maintain membership.

Maybe set a precedent that if a region counted as an eu country becomes independent they maintain eu membership due to Catalonia or Scotland becoming independent earlier? And since this costal Algeria would be Christian and French speaking, there'd be less controversy about it.
 
Algeria being an ''integral part of France'' was something that more along the lines only existed in paper. It wasn't that different from a typical colony even though it was supposedly part of France itself. The local Algerians had little similarities with French culture, most probably felt alienated from French culture because it was so different from their culture. There was a burgeoning middle class that was French oriented but that mean doesn't the whole country had much connection to French culture. Algerians didn't hold much rights if any rights in their own country or were considered beneath the European settlers who moved there. Almost an apartheid in many ways if you want to look at that way. The European connection or root to Alegria largely was one of exploitation and invasion. At least, through Algerian eyes.
 
The European connection or root to Alegria largely was one of exploitation and invasion. At least, through Algerian eyes.

Yes, they are very good at forgetting the centuries in which the relationship was the other way around. Or, of course, anything before the Arab invasion.
 
Gonna go for this.

No Dien Bhien Phu, partial Indochinese independance, with the North fully independant and the South heavily linked to France like the African states in the 60's onward.

Lighter independance with Algeria, with a semi-independant East and a French West (Oranais region). After a couple decades, the remaining French Algeria grows dissatisfied and separates from mainland France. For political reasons, mainland France is happy to oblige (gateway for immigration, need to spend lots of money on the indigenes, political pressures due to the Apartheid-like system without the will to grant full equality...)

You have an independant European Algeria which would then have a claim to join the EEC due to them having been a part of it and being majority European with immigrants from Portugal and Spain
 
Algeria being an ''integral part of France'' was something that more along the lines only existed in paper. It wasn't that different from a typical colony even though it was supposedly part of France itself. The local Algerians had little similarities with French culture, most probably felt alienated from French culture because it was so different from their culture.
I think a far bigger factor was the quasi-apartheid setup that denied the bulk of Muslims the franchise. Dump the Code de l'indigénat after WWI and the friction looks more like Corsica.
 
I think a far bigger factor was the quasi-apartheid setup that denied the bulk of Muslims the franchise. Dump the Code de l'indigénat after WWI and the friction looks more like Corsica.
Or grant veterans citizenship like the Romans did. French colonial programs post-1900 were partly inspired by Roman experience (Lyautey/Gallieni in particular) so it wouldn't be far fetched
 
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