AHC: Abort the Ottoman Empire

Mookie

Banned
Instead they'll be raided by some other Turks, will still suffer in the Balkans and internally, and . . . why would "no Ottomans" make any difference?



That would require a massively stronger empire than the OTL Byzantine Empire, and I'm just looking at as of Andronicus II - not even by the time of Manuel II where its obviously sunk.

A lot of Byzantine power lately went into containing the Ottomans.
They could recover. Other Turks didnt have the "ghazi" mentality of early Ottomans, who didnt want to fight correligionists and thus pushed west constantly. The Karamans, and others will probably try to expand in Anatolia before trying something west. I am cheering for Saruhan
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A lot of Byzantine power lately went into containing the Ottomans.
They could recover. Other Turks didnt have the "ghazi" mentality of early Ottomans, who didnt want to fight correligionists and thus pushed west constantly. The Karamans, and others will probably try to expand in Anatolia before trying something west. I am cheering for Saruhan

Other Turks will still see the Byzantines very weak and very tempting. That's quite enough to lead to raids, and conquest if possible - whatever the Ghazi mentality of the Ottomans relative to their contemporaries may or may not have been.

Plus OTL the Byzantines were busy on both fronts, losing territory on one hand to Serbia and on the other to the Ottomans. There's not enough Byzantine power to do much of anything in either in this period - even if somehow you manage to have the situation okay in Anatolia, that just means that the extremely slender resources of the state are only facing one growing power instead of two.

I wouldn't say it's completely hopeless until the 1340s, but there's no one enemy whose removal will save the day.
 
Suleyman Pasha does not fall from his horse. Following the death of their dather Orhan, he and Murad fight each other for control of the Sultanate, and every neighbor who could possibly pounce does so.
 

Avskygod0

Banned
No ghengis khan to conquer the turkic lands and make the turks move

but this will make so much ubershit butterflies that the world will look completely different
 
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