Well there is a DLC in CK2 with an Aztec invasion at the end of the Middle Ages (The name of the DLc is Sunsete Invasion I think you'll enjoy it). Now in real life it's impossible, they don't have the technology, experience or even biological resistance for it.
The English at the time did not have the ability to compete with the Spaniards. And if they had that strength, they wouldn't spend it bringing natives to Europe.
If for some reason (basically ABS) they arrive in Iberia they will be defeated by the local armies that were infinitely superior (if they don't die of diseases beforehand).
Meh, one can be more imaginative than that—especially since this is an alternate-history forum.
Ahhh yes, the one where the Aztecs took boats from Vikings (they certainly went a bit off course) and then managed to conquer North America using rifles (including the Great Plains, without any horses) and then brought 100,000 men to Europe. Makes for interesting AARs, and I will admit it does do well to get across how evil Aztec society was. And explain why the Spanish managed to get up to two hundred thousand people from the allies of the Aztecs, who were somewhat upset of the Aztecs provoking wars just for the sake of more sacrifices. Though actually, I think it would be interesting to see the Aztecs invading the Spanish Caribbean. This way they at least know about the existence of Europe.
alternate history != fantasy
It's the same discourse as geological PODs - making it about absolute possibility rather than at least decent plausibility tends to create discussions more concentrated on how to find the potential setup for the idea to work rather than discuss what in the idea itself does or does not work.Meh, one can be more imaginative than that—especially since this is an alternate-history forum.
The OP never said the invasion has to happen immediately after contact—some sort of Aztec or Incan empire that survives, gradually modernizes, could pull it off in their equivalent of the 20th century, possibly as a volunteer force participating in an alt-D-Day or other.
It isn't particularly plausible, but it's not really ASB either...
How is hundreds of EXTREMELY unlikely chances being enforced to reach a scenario any different? Instead of saying "Aliens made it happen", it's "I demand that it happen".
CalBear (or another mod?) said that for example, "WI: Napoleon invades Japan?" is a poorly-written scenario, but not ASB per-se, poorly written doesn't equals gods/aliens, so it is still allowed to be put on the regular forum sections, as much criticism and ridicule as it may get.
The Aztecs had bad luck. It would have been amply possible for them to have survived and modernised, even if they wouldn't look very "Aztec" to us. A nation having lots of enemies doesn't mean much when they're the richest, most powerful, and best organised (beside maybe the Purepecha) force in the region. Their only real disadvantage is the ease at which a European-backed native rebellion might strip away the coast.
The problem even if Cortez fails the plagues will come and also mexico will kinda be screwed also with the drought of 1540
This is a ridiculous statement. The Aztecs didn't simply have "bad luck"; they were in a perpetual state of untenability. The "Empire" wasn't really an empire, but a collection of largely independent states. The Aztecs can theoretically survive longer, but to the point of "modernization" is frankly fantastical. A civil war between the Acohua and the Mexica could very easily tear the Empire apart -- and rivals like the Purepecha could defeat them in any case. The Aztecs were ironically quite weak and relied on terror and violence to keep their subjects in line. And when you harbor enough enemies and the people you rule are sick of your presence, a single slip or crisis can very very quickly crash the house of cards. It's no coincidence that when the Spanish arrived, they, with their native allies, were able to induce a collapse so easily. Gold, feathers, jaguar skins, jade... getting those was hard, and for many altepemeh, it was a nightmare to get those; and often the Aztecs punished rebel subjects by making them pay in exotic items, like quetzal feathers or white deer skins. It's also the situation of the altepetl system that easily manifested Cortez's coalition. And this is just geopolitics; the introduction of disease will completely reshape the region. Most rebellions actually took place because the local rulers had their own political agenda and ambitions and didn't want to be subjects to anyone. That's why most rebellions took place in the most distant provinces, next to enemy states, like Tlaxcallan; and they were mostly carried out during monarchic transitions in Tenochtitlan. And when the Triple Alliance starts to weaken, they are going to quickly jump ship.
But it's not really that implausible, either. I'll spot you the Aztecs, which would have had a hard time surviving even without Spanish contact, but I could see a Incan empire that manages to survive—becomes a middle-power on the level of Brazil or Mexico by the 20th century, and in an alternate WW2, sends an outfit to liberate Europe from some continental Habsburg Menace, as part of a larger New World invasion force along with the Confederation of New France and the Kingdom of Borealia, or whatever.
