Your challenge is to have there be an empire based in Sub-Saharan Africa and ruled by sub-Saharan Africans with at least some territory in Europe.
What time period are you talking about? Usually those areas are under the control of a very powerful empires with access to very large armies and fleets. Plus they’d have to get through the modern Sudan just to get to Egypt let alone Europe.A wanked Ethiopian Empire that conquers Egypt and expands into the Eastern Mediterranean, taking Crete and some other Greek islands.
That's why we are in a forum called "alternate history"What time period are you talking about? Usually those areas are under the control of a very powerful empires with access to very large armies and fleets. Plus they’d have to get through the modern Sudan just to get to Egypt let alone Europe.
This feels a bit impossible given that geography is working against this hypothetical empire. Not even considering the many powerful states that dominated the Mediterranean throughout the ages that would not take kindly to an incursion by the Ethiopians.
You could shorten the distances. Nubia managed to take over Egypt IOTL, so maybe a Nubian-controlled Egypt could go a bit further and nab some Greek islands.What time period are you talking about? Usually those areas are under the control of a very powerful empires with access to very large armies and fleets. Plus they’d have to get through the modern Sudan just to get to Egypt let alone Europe.
This feels a bit impossible given that geography is working against this hypothetical empire. Not even considering the many powerful states that dominated the Mediterranean throughout the ages that would not take kindly to an incursion by the Ethiopians.
Would the Nubians really be called Sub-Saharan, though? I'm pretty sure they're not south of the desert, just eastYou could shorten the distances. Nubia managed to take over Egypt IOTL, so maybe a Nubian-controlled Egypt could go a bit further and nab some Greek islands.
Yes but there’s a limit to what’s realistic and we venture into ASB territory.That's why we are in a forum called "alternate history"
As @Pen said do they count?You could shorten the distances. Nubia managed to take over Egypt IOTL, so maybe a Nubian-controlled Egypt could go a bit further and nab some Greek islands.
Won’t the Sahara be in the way? And by the time they mali are around it would be a bit hard to control any part of Iberia.Anyway, I imagine Mali, if it had managed to setup an empire with serious power projection would have had a decent shot at having puppets of some form in Iberia or the Medditeranean, albiet there's not much of a logical motive for them to do so.
Well the almoravids managed to go to conquer parts of the modern day Western Sahara and had close proximity to ghana so it's not impossibleWon’t the Sahara be in the way? And by the time they mali are around it would be a bit hard to control any part of Iberia.
Why is ASB ethiopians conquering Egypt and then Crete ?Yes but there’s a limit to what’s realistic and we venture into ASB territory.
They ruled whats now morocco iirc, so they’re not from sun Sahara if I’m getting my geography right.Well the almoravids managed to go to conquer parts of the modern day Western Sahara and had close proximity to ghana so it's not impossible
True but they did extent their power to iberia as to the east and south close to Ghana and north to iberiaThey ruled whats now morocco iirc, so they’re not from sun Sahara if I’m getting my geography right.
Because that would require them to conquer two whole ass other countries just to get to Europe. Then defeat the local powers that have experience with naval warfare plus the home field advantage against a nation who’s power base is thousands of miles away. And at various times the people who ruled Egypt also ruled Greece. So that wouldn’t be easy at all. So somehow Ethiopia needs to be wanked so it can conquer Nubia and Egypt as well as defeat the local Greeks or whoever and take the islands. That’s borderline asb at best.Why is ASB ethiopians conquering Egypt and then Crete ?
ASB is stuff that is literally impossible under any and all circumstances, if you had a POD five or ten thousand years ago it wouldn't be hard at all for this to happen.Yes but there’s a limit to what’s realistic and we venture into ASB territory.
Maybe. But that would require some sort of POD to make them even more powerful whole Iberia is weaker than iotl.True but they did extent their power to iberia as to the east and south close to Ghana and north to iberia
So it's possible for a wanked ghana or mali to conquer the modern day Western Sahara morroco and maybe the very south of iberia
If you need to go all the way back to the dawn of civilization that shows how hard to achieve this idea is.ASB is stuff that is literally impossible under any and all circumstances, if you had a POD five or ten thousand years ago it wouldn't be hard at all for this to happen.
The first kingdom to my recollection in the area was Dʿmt which was founded in the which had some sabean influences due to their in part control of the red sea and the kingdom fell in the 5th century bcIf Egypt got conquered by the Nubians, I fail to see why it couldn't get conquered by Ethiopians. There have been empires in the area for a long time, and large empires like the Romans, Byzantines, and the various caliphates could be butterflied away.
Because Ethiopia is farther away with a hostile Nubia between them. Any Ethiopian conquest would be difficult to achieve and hard to hold at best. And sure, you could butterfly away the Romans or Abbasids or whoever but that doesn’t guarantee someone wouldn’t fill void and block any Ethiopian invasions as well.If Egypt got conquered by the Nubians, I fail to see why it couldn't get conquered by Ethiopians. There have been empires in the area for a long time, and large empires like the Romans, Byzantines, and the various caliphates could be butterflied away.