AHC: A "Mediterranean Empire" after 450 AD

With the PODs no earlier than 450 AD, have the entire regions of Mediterranean coasts be owned by one political entity, for at least a century or so...
Any takers?
 
No Justinianic Plague. POD 542, Roman reconquest of the Visigoths circa 550, allows the entire Mediterranean coastline to come back under the control of Constantinople. Done. :)
 
The obvious one would be an Arab capture of Constantinople in 674 (I think that is the right year), with the hope that this would break the Eastern Roman Empire once and for all. If that happened, then the Balkans and Greece would be open much earlier, during a period of flux in that part of Europe.

Then with greater success there, perhaps butterflies may allow for a more sucessful Arab sweep through modern day France
 
No Justinianic Plague. POD 542, Roman reconquest of the Visigoths circa 550, allows the entire Mediterranean coastline to come back under the control of Constantinople. Done. :)

Hmm...how about the southern coast of France...? And could a government that centered in Constantinople administering the entire Mediterranean coasts...? And could the Byzantines hold them for no less than a century...?
 
Hmm...how about the southern coast of France...? And could a government that centered in Constantinople administering the entire Mediterranean coasts...? And could the Byzantines hold them for no less than a century...?

Southern Gaul was Visigothic anyway, only the area around Marseille was held by the Franks- and in this Romanowank scenario, I can see that falling quite quickly if invaded by forces from both Spain and Italy.

Yes, unless you get a series of extremelly stupid Emperors.

Yes, since Islam would be butterflied in such a scenario, and the Empire itself would never have been half destroyed by the Plague.
 
Southern Gaul was Visigothic anyway, only the area around Marseille was held by the Franks- and in this Romanowank scenario, I can see that falling quite quickly if invaded by forces from both Spain and Italy.

Yes, unless you get a series of extremelly stupid Emperors.

Yes, since Islam would be butterflied in such a scenario, and the Empire itself would never have been half destroyed by the Plague.

Then this would incite Frankish aggressions...and with the powerful Sassanids are still on the East and the migrating Lombards are still coming near, I don't think the Byzantines could hold the entire Mediterranean for just some years, let alone a century...
And btw, about the POD...IIRC the Justinianic Plague was unavoidable? (because of the climate, etc)
 
The obvious one would be an Arab capture of Constantinople in 674 (I think that is the right year), with the hope that this would break the Eastern Roman Empire once and for all. If that happened, then the Balkans and Greece would be open much earlier, during a period of flux in that part of Europe.

Then with greater success there, perhaps butterflies may allow for a more sucessful Arab sweep through modern day France

But it wouldn't be a "Mediterranean Empire"... (an empire that centered on Mediterranean Sea)
And in that scenario would the Arabs conquer the whole Italy and Dalmatian coast, as well as occupy the entire modern day Greece and France...? That was the worst overstretchment I think...
 
No Justinianic Plague. POD 542, Roman reconquest of the Visigoths circa 550, allows the entire Mediterranean coastline to come back under the control of Constantinople. Done. :)


They came close anyway. Under Justinian, the Byzantine general Liberius captured the Southern part of Spain's Mediterranean coastline from the Visigoths by intervening in the civil war between Agila and Athanagild.
 
Asb....:( The Byzantines cannot conquer France and Germany, they will clearly overstreach, also about Arabs yeah they may conquer the whole continent should tours end wit Charles dead.... However they will not last long.... They are in the heart of Christendom and they have to control the rowd population and multiple culture... They won't last.,.. Also seizur of Constantinople... Fat chance Constantinople is an impenetrable city.with the muslims current technology it will be impossiible to sieze, Constantinople has a booming population..... Plus the walls were literally
impentrable read up on it's walls heck in
OTl even after civil war in the 15th century mehmet tried countless times to take Constantinople which was a mere shell of it's former self but failed.... Listen in 1452 the turks had a fleet of over 200 ships and at least a 100000 men facing off against the defenders who had a total pop of 20000 and only 7000 troops. Had the geonese mercinaries not faltered Constantinople
could hold out but it will fall later on..... In fact the flea beatean Byzantine navy had four shops yet they complety locked out the Turkish fleet, which
suffered heavy casualties, on top of that seige the city ..,, no will not work..
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Ever heard of the Byzantine Aquaduct system which carried water from over 400 miles or the cistern which held millions of gallons of water..... On top of that te massive chain which halted attacks by sea, plus the resources of Seafood from Bosphorous ahahahahaha it would be impossible to take the city
you underestimate Constantinople Plus it only fell to the crusaders in 1204 due to a gate being left open.... Rofl so through the cracks the crusader massive force beseiged and invaded....'also the BN only had
ten ships that did not work by the time venetians arrive... Also the crusaders
had trebuchets and such weaponry, I'm pretty
sure trebuchets did not excist in Muslim armies throughout the 6th-10 centuries.... So the calphite will fail to conquer Constantinople so they will not acheived dominance over the med, while Byzantium could not hold it's roman
possestiins due to it's useless wars with the Sassanids... Also Only reason Rome
could comtrol so much was dueto it's central location.... Thus you idea is simply ASB:)
 
Srry for double posting but this is what the Muslims had to face
www.historynet.com/ancient-history-walls-of-constantinople.htm
www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A455249
www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/.../WallsOfConstantinople.html -
www.livius.org/.../constantinople/constantinople_land_walls.html
Also they had a great water supply system
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valens_Aqueduct
www.ibb.gov.tr/SITES/KS/EN-US/1.../valens-aqueduct.aspx

www.istanbul-pedia.com/travel.../valens-aqueduct-bozdogan-kemeri/
en.tixik.com/valens-aqueduct-2361645.htm
Plus they had no water problem due to their cisterns:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_Cistern

www.letsgoistanbul.com/basilica.htm
www.istanbultoursonline.com/.../underground_cistern.htm

So yeah the Byzantines are very well prepared for a seige plus
dont forget the chain which connected one side of Bosphorous to the other. Their was a reason why constaninople lasted so long:cool:
 
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