AHC A Lot more dead Americans in WW1

Is there any way Great War could have hit the USA harder. Could they have joined earlier, or the Central Powers able to fight longer.

Any other possibilities?
 

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Arguably if the Germans fight 1918 according to David Zabecki's suggestions, netting them Amiens and Hazebrouck and collapsing the British positions in France, pushing France to the brink if peace, but not getting there due to too high of demands, the fight will go on a lot longer and require a lot more American contributions to defeat Germany. That could be one route. Otherwise you can have to get in earlier and suffer more from using their less experienced units as shock troops; you could also have them agree to split up the US army into small units as attachments to Allied divisions, who then suffer as they are used as shock troops to soak up losses and spare the French/British units they are attached to.
 
Given that this woudl have put them right in the middle of the Spanish Flu, you'd have seen a lot more casualties among the soldiers just because of that, too.

I don't have time to look at the link, but would this perhaps double the number? I wonder how much longer it would last. All the European sides seem to have been really spent.
 

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A lot more casualties would make getting the US into WW2 much harder.

Hmm, you think the opposing proposition would be true? That with alot *fewer* casualties, isolationism would be correspondingly weaker and it would be easier and more straightforward to get the US into WWII?

In OTL war was declared in April 1917, but the first American combat deaths were not sometime in November or December 1917 in a skirmish where 3 Americans You find a way to wrap up the war by winter 1917-1918 or even by spring 1918 the butcher's bill for Uncle Sam is alot lower.
 
Hmm, you think the opposing proposition would be true? That with alot *fewer* casualties, isolationism would be correspondingly weaker and it would be easier and more straightforward to get the US into WWII?
If I may interject, it's unlikely that having fewer casualties would have made a large difference in isolationism. The cost and destruction caused within Europe was something that the U.S government didn't want to take a chance in experiencing. Many Americans viewed the European nations are prone to conflict, having less American casualties may have changed this view point but I don't see it. If you make it to where the Progressive Party doesn't take power then you may see isolationism be weaker, you may also see the "dollar diplomacy" not occur during the 1920's and 30's in Latin America.
 
Hmm, you think the opposing proposition would be true? That with alot *fewer* casualties, isolationism would be correspondingly weaker and it would be easier and more straightforward to get the US into WWII?

In OTL war was declared in April 1917, but the first American combat deaths were not sometime in November or December 1917 in a skirmish where 3 Americans You find a way to wrap up the war by winter 1917-1918 or even by spring 1918 the butcher's bill for Uncle Sam is alot lower.

Not really. A lot of the isolationists blamed the harsh Versailles Trearty for WW2 and it was Europe's "problem". If FDR had not been so devious and there was a more effective and popular leader of the isolationists the only way the US would have went to war with Germany was if they declared war on us like they did after PH. then I think it would be the Pacific first.
 

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Not really. A lot of the isolationists blamed the harsh Versailles Trearty for WW2 and it was Europe's "problem". If FDR had not been so devious and there was a more effective and popular leader of the isolationists the only way the US would have went to war with Germany was if they declared war on us like they did after PH. then I think it would be the Pacific first.

It's not just that the isolationists viewed Versailles as unduly harsh on the Germans but that the Americans felt burned by their own allies.

The British, French, Italians and Japanese split up everything and America even got denied Yap island.

Then the Western Allies all defaulted on their loans to America and, to add insult to injury, referred to the US as Uncle Shylock

One of the biggest reasons the US sympathized with the Finns in the Winter War was that the Finns were the only ones to pay back their loans
 
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