AHC: A Less Balkanized Africa

The challenge is to make Africa in present-day consisted of five until seven independent nations, with the POD no earlier than 1453...
Multiple bonus points for a map...

EDIT: Damn, why I post this in ASB forum...? :confused:
Move this thread to pre-1900 forum, please...
 
Presumably just altering the colonisation and crucially, decolonisation phases, so that ideally, the European powers slowly disengaged, leaving behind functioning, modern (for the time, whatever it may be) states?
 
I think that the easiest way to pull this off would be an Ameriwank USA which is beginning to dominate the world market industrially, and the European countries cannot simply develop their own land fast enough to keep up, so European entrepreneurs start moving into Africa for more significant industrialization than OTL.

Long term would likely see a less industrial Europe and a more highly industrialized Africa, and with this industrialization, the ability of the local governments to maintain a semblance of control, or at least more so than OTL.
 
I reckon a much, much slower process of decolonisation essentially merging most colonies together, so we have:

Egypt
South Africa
Ethiopia
Liberia
British/Portuguese West Africa
British/Portuguese East Africa (inc. Angola, Somalilands)
French/Spanish West Africa.
Madagscar and islands.
 
Africa is'nt really Balkanized as it is, especially when you consider some of the world largest countries are in Africa and most European countries are smaller than a medium African country.


Anyways, having Africa compltely colonized is itself going to lead to the opposite of this scenario as you have multiple powers and thus a need for the to create multiple administrative divisions out of their colonial holdings.

The best way is probably to get a change farther back in history to have the African countries centralize and develop more/faster.


In the end you'd probably end up with the following;

-Egypt based country
-Rest of North Africa
-South Africa (might be two, one continental and one based on Madagascar)
-West Africa
-Central Africa (may be two states)
-East Africa

Even then though it's probable that their would still be other states, either those that had played their cards right, are buffers or just have never been invaded.
 
here's my 5 cents

Israel-Uganda, Tanzania, Kenya, Malawi, Zambia, and Southern Somalia
South Africa-Mozambique, Angola, Botswana, Lesotho, Zimbabwe, Namibia, South Africa, and Swaziland
Abyssinia-Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia and Somaliland
Egypt-Egypt, Sudan, most of Libya
French Northern Africa-Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, the rest of Libya
Congo, both Congos, Rwanda and Burundi.
 
I think that the easiest way to pull this off would be an Ameriwank USA which is beginning to dominate the world market industrially, and the European countries cannot simply develop their own land fast enough to keep up, so European entrepreneurs start moving into Africa for more significant industrialization than OTL.

Long term would likely see a less industrial Europe and a more highly industrialized Africa, and with this industrialization, the ability of the local governments to maintain a semblance of control, or at least more so than OTL.

Hmmm, interesting...
Like some other posters here, I'm always used to think that the slower colonization was the best way to fulfill this challange...
 
I submit this:

-The United States of Africa (purple) is something that the Americans forced on the British Italians and Belgians after WWII. The former portugese Colonies joined when they got independent.

Britain secured seperate independence for
-South Africa that annexed its protectorates
-Egypt (with postwar additions)
-The Central African Federation (when the Smith regime finally collapsed it was much more economical well off than its northern neighbour, while South African was still under white rule, so they remained independent.

France refused the American plan allthogther and tried to retain its colonial empire. But without american aid the failed in the end.

-Guinea was the first french colony to achieve independence after a bloody strugle and almost immediately became a bizzare communist experiment.

-The Arab states followed soon after and have since formed the Maghrebine Alliance

-Then France gave up and trying to retain at least some influence created the Federation de l'Afrique Fracophone.

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Actually, I think your best bet is to have a stronger pan-Africanist movement post-independence. The result wouldn't be particularly united; in fact, it would probably be basically the same setup as now, but with a common foreign policy and the same color on the map.

I'm really skeptical that a slower decolonization would do much good. The Brits, at least, always insisted that their African countries pay for their own administrative costs - or tried to insist, anyway - and basically only really wanted most of their colonies to keep other countries from having them (exceptions: South Africa, Egypt). Even if you drag out decolonization, they're probably not going to put much more money in then they did OTL.
 
I was always of the belief that Africa wasn't Balkanised enough, I mean hell, half of the troubles suffered by Africans since decolonisation have been caused by the slamming together of disparate ethnic/regional groups will little in common into artificial states.
 
One point is that colonization followed a somewhat odd path, with many separate coastal establishments expanding inland at various paces, and adventures messing up things around in more or less random places.
The powers came to develop overall agendas quite late, and of course these were competing mutually exclusive agendas, since the British were moving along a north-south axis and everybody else was looking at east-west axes.
So, remove the British. :)
France get pretty much everything north of the Equator except Ethiopia, Germany takes the middle and Portugal gets Angola and Mozambique united.
You'll have a South Afrika (probably Dutch-speaking) bordering a great Lusophone country spanning from the Atlantic to the Pacific, then a Kongo-Tanganyika state (swahili-speaking?) and, to the North, a Union de l'Afrique de l'Ouest, an Arabic united Maghrib, Egypt and Ethiopia.
So, seven in the Continent (but probably Eight with Madagascar).
 

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I was always of the belief that Africa wasn't Balkanised enough, I mean hell, half of the troubles suffered by Africans since decolonisation have been caused by the slamming together of disparate ethnic/regional groups will little in common into artificial states.
Still, the only plausible solution post Imperialism.
 
Actually, there are plenty of Pan-African movements growing right now and we might se a less balkanized Africa in 10 to 20 years, possibly even a single state. Look up the Afro (currency), the East African Federation, the United States of Africa, currency unions in Africa, etc. Major African groups are looking for more ways to intergrate, and political integration is a part of that.

Yes, the post WWII America controls everything thing is an easy route.

Most Napoleonic Victory scenarios have Africa essentially split between a French north and British south (With Portugal keeping Angola and Mozambique), which I find both plausible and likely. All that's left is to decide whether your timeline will allow other nations a part of Africa (like Spain, Italy, and Germany). Chances are in a Napoleonic Victory, your nations in Africa won't exceed more than seven.
 
I got Africa divided into nine nations.

United States of South Africa - The dominatant African power, this nation promises to be the first African nation to make an impact on the world stage. Rapid Development promises to make it's Rich Poor Ratio much smaller than currently is.

Mauritania - Nation Consists of Madagascar and the surrounding islands. The richest nation in Africa.

East African Federation - A British sponsored federation of it's East African colonies, and the first of the nine African federations.

Ethiopia - Completely dominates the horn of Africa. Still ruled by the Ethiopian Royal Family, and better off than OTL.

Egypt - Given Sudan and Cyrenia in the Decolinization era. Living standards are roughly OTL Egypt, only Cairo is less crowded.

Magreb - A pan-Muslim nation formed in Northern Africa, following a movement by the Morocan Monarch and major Pan-African Movement Leader Momar Ghaffadi. Peaceful and Stable, though there is a growing Islamist movement.

Mali - French sponsored federation of thier Saharan colonies in response to the loss of Algeria and success of British sponsored EAF.

West African Community - Loosely connected Trans-National organization dominated by Nigeria.

Central African Republic - Most unstable nation in Africa, formed from an uneasy conglomoration of Post-Independance nations. Core is the Congo region.

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A USSA in the South emerging from the British colonies etc

A pan-African German colony across the centre

Portugal's possessions partitioned

France's West African empire becomes independent as a cohesive entity

Egypt down to Equatoria, conquers Abyssinia etc

British West Africa maybe all the coast from Nigeria to Sierra Leone

Hard to fill in the gaps but you got 5 biggies there which are possible with logical changes to the timeline

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Grey Wolf
 
I got Africa divided into nine nations.

United States of South Africa - The dominatant African power, this nation promises to be the first African nation to make an impact on the world stage. Rapid Development promises to make it's Rich Poor Ratio much smaller than currently is.

Mauritania - Nation Consists of Madagascar and the surrounding islands. The richest nation in Africa.

East African Federation - A British sponsored federation of it's East African colonies, and the first of the nine African federations.

Ethiopia - Completely dominates the horn of Africa. Still ruled by the Ethiopian Royal Family, and better off than OTL.

Egypt - Given Sudan and Cyrenia in the Decolinization era. Living standards are roughly OTL Egypt, only Cairo is less crowded.

Magreb - A pan-Muslim nation formed in Northern Africa, following a movement by the Morocan Monarch and major Pan-African Movement Leader Momar Ghaffadi. Peaceful and Stable, though there is a growing Islamist movement.

Mali - French sponsored federation of thier Saharan colonies in response to the loss of Algeria and success of British sponsored EAF.

West African Community - Loosely connected Trans-National organization dominated by Nigeria.

Central African Republic - Most unstable nation in Africa, formed from an uneasy conglomoration of Post-Independance nations. Core is the Congo region.

That Mali looks like it's mostly desert. It'a hard to imagine it staying away from either the Maghreb of the West Africans.
 
Grey Wolf and thekingsguard are getting warmer, but I feel both your suggestions have major issues.

Grey Wolf's make perfect sense during colonialism, but would seem likely to break down into administrative units. Regardless, entities like German trans-Africa, French Northwest Africa, and British Southwest Africa would be quite unlikely to survive in the long-term.

As for thekingsguard, while some divisions are eminently reasonable, that Saharan state would disappear inside 10 years of independence, and it's unlikely the West African creature would do much better.
 
Grey Wolf and thekingsguard are getting warmer, but I feel both your suggestions have major issues.

Grey Wolf's make perfect sense during colonialism, but would seem likely to break down into administrative units. Regardless, entities like German trans-Africa, French Northwest Africa, and British Southwest Africa would be quite unlikely to survive in the long-term.

As for thekingsguard, while some divisions are eminently reasonable, that Saharan state would disappear inside 10 years of independence, and it's unlikely the West African creature would do much better.

The Saharan state is the same region alot of nations occupied historically. Mail, the Songhai, Ghana all did well in the region. Even merged like that in the modern world, with the French supporting them, I can at least see them better off than OTL.

The two nations could always merge...
 
Coming at it from a geographical/historical perspective would seem to make more sense. Let's try.

[For convenience I use OTL names. I'm ignoring Madagascar, Sao Tome & Principe, et cetera because I feel like it.]

The Ottomans got an impressive swathe of central Africa despite lacking Egypt, but lost it all because of the awkwardness of going through Libya. Egypt meanwhile, extended itself south to sweep around the edges of Ethiopia. If we assume that Egypt is never separated from the Ottomans, or is reabsorbed in the early 19th century, we can reasonably expect everything from Tunis to Central Africa to Eritrea under their rule. If the empire lasts to the modern day and allows local autonomy, so could their African holdings. I'll come back to Ethiopia and Nigeria, both of which are at the edges of their reach.

Zanzibar originally held a huge swathe of Africa extending from central Somalia to northern Mozambique and inland to the eastern parts of modern DRoCongo and Uganda. They were gradually strengthening their hold into real political rule under British protection before the Scramble. Assuming the British aren't in Egypt, they'll remain in their influential position over Zanzibar and encourage it to solidify into a proper state between Ethiopia and Mozambique. I'll come back to Ethiopia and Mozambique - it couldn't really handle them.

South Africa clearly had the potential to incorporate more of the area around it. It mainly needed a more diffuse/federal structure so it could incorporate other white-ruled states (who'd want autonomy) and black-ruled states (who would not be welcome voting in such a nation for a long time). Say a federal arrangement is proposed among the white-ruled Namibia, Cape, Natal, Transvaal, and Orange, with Botswana, Lesotho, and Swaziland as incorporated "princely states" / "apartheid republics." This could easily expand over time to include white Zimbabwe and black Zambia. Portugal's colonies can be divided after a bankruptcy at some point, adding Mozambique to the bargain. I'll come back to Angola, as any division of Portugal's colonies would see Angola and Mozambique going to different powers.

The Congo is the other big region we can easily tie together. The two Congos - RoC and DRoC - are naturally a single unit and could survive as one nation at least to the extent that the DRoC does in OTL, more if we're careful. A single power - France, Germany, or Portugal - could potentially have built a strong-for-Africa state at the center of the continent. It would include both Congos and the southern portion of the CAR. If a power or the powers were trying to build a weighty state for some reason, Gabon and Equatorial Guinea could be incorporated pretty easily. They might not even leave, either! Again, Angola might be a bit much. I'll come back to it.

Okay. That's the four easy ones. Between the Porte, Zanzibar, South Africa, and Congo you have most of Africa done already. We're left with Ethiopia, Angola, North Africa, and West Africa - the region least compatible with running states in the entire world (if you except the Poles).

We have only three more nations to use.
 
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