AHC: A Homosexual Homeland

[Incognito]

I typically don't post sex-related suff, but this seemed like an interesting topic for a challenge: apperently, OTL there were attempts and discussions at creating a country for homosexuals.

So the challenge is to get one of the OTL proposals or some non-existent ATL proposal to actually succeed at creating a homosexual nation with UN recognition and all that jazz.

And yes, I do realize the proposals have issues with population growth (and the awkward of what to do with heterosexual children if one wants to maintain the nation as majority homosexual). That's why it's a challenge.

 

[M16A1994]

I typically don't post sex-related suff, but this seemed like an interesting topic for a challenge: apperently, OTL there were attempts and discussions at creating a country for homosexuals.

So the challenge is to get one of the OTL proposals or some non-existent ATL proposal to actually succeed at creating a homosexual nation with UN recognition and all that jazz.

And yes, I do realize the proposals have issues with population growth (and the awkward of what to do with heterosexual children if one wants to maintain the nation as majority homosexual). That's why it's a challenge.

Have fun getting any country not in the Western sphere of influence to recognize them as a nation.

 

[Incognito]

Have fun getting any country not in the Western sphere of influence to recognize them as a nation.

Israel has a U.N. seat & recognition despite Jews not being liked much in large areas of the planet. Don't see why same can't be true for an ATL gay nation.

 

[Sam R.]

Have fun getting any country not in the Western sphere of influence to recognize them as a nation.

The recognition of states is definitionally "fun" in the historical sense, as it entails the concerted act of violence against states and populations to enforce recognition of sovereignty.

The question is who will be fun to whom, where, and how much fun would be required?

yours,
Sam R.

 

[BBadolato]

Why would there even be such a thing? I'm aware of the discrimination, but how would go about making a nation based on sexuality that could have any number of people from any number of ethnic groups,religions,ect. Also how exactly would a sexuality have a homeland?

 

[ramones1986]

Why would there even be such a thing? I'm aware of the discrimination, but how would go about making a nation based on sexuality that could have any number of people from any number of ethnic groups,religions,ect. Also how exactly would a sexuality have a homeland?

I second the motion.

 

[Michel Van]

Why would there even be such a thing? I'm aware of the discrimination, but how would go about making a nation based on sexuality that could have any number of people from any number of ethnic groups,religions,ect. Also how exactly would a sexuality have a homeland?

The answer is simple: to life save and free from Discrimination, persecution by the state or by death squad
if now Regions (jews), racism (south Africa under Apartheid) or free sexuality (Britain before 2003 or today Russia) it's case.

There even today nations were homosexual is consider a crime to punish by imprisonment or death penalty !
those homosexual inhabitant would very happy with Homosexual Homeland or a nation were they can life with out be persecuted...

on idea for Homosexual Homeland, has just has tinny problem: were to put it on world map ?

 

[Cook]

on idea for Homosexual Homeland, has just has tinny problem: were to put it on world map ?

Really, that's what you consider to be the problem with this scenario?

 

[drakle]

on idea for Homosexual Homeland, has just has tinny problem: were to put it on world map ?

Where else but surrounding the Vatican or in Spain.

 

[zert]

Wonder where they would send us? Kick us all out to Madagascar as was planned for the Jews or the center point of a nuclear test site as some fundementalists would drool for?

 

[Ran]

I think the only place that really has a chance of making this work would be Genosha, as it served a similar role as a homeland for a people similarly born around the world at one point.

 

[zert]

Interesting setting but damn what a dark history.

Not a place I would want to be.

 

[mowque]

How would this even work? I mean, it is dead on arrival for a dozen practical reasons.

 

[RosoMC]

This idea is ridiculous. Whatever people think of homosexuals this is too crazy to even contemplate.

Sexual orientation is not a basis for nation-building excercise. There is so many cultural, religious and ethnic differences between homosexual people around the world that idea that they will live together in some artificially created country is insane.

Israel can't serve as an example as Jews had long tradition of separation from Gentiles. It served as a basis for common ground when creating Israel. No such thing exists in homosexual community at large, which can't be described as homogenous at all. I'm certain that gays in Western countries have much more in common with their straight counterparts in said countries rather than with gays in Iran or Vietnam.

 

[aeb1]

The answer is simple: to life save and free from Discrimination, persecution by the state or by death squad -snip- or free sexuality (Britain before 2003 or today Russia) it's case.

Britain before 2003? Do what now?

 

[Noravea]

Isn't it the same with the United States? We have so many different cultures, languages, and differences that by your definition, any country with a large immigrant population wouldn't survive.

Anyways, I nominate the greater San Francisco Area, mostly because I like the climate. I really just need an excuse to move out there like establishing a gay state.

 

[Lleibi]

This idea is ridiculous. Whatever people think of homosexuals this is too crazy to even contemplate.

Sexual orientation is not a basis for nation-building excercise. There is so many cultural, religious and ethnic differences between homosexual people around the world that idea that they will live together in some artificially created country is insane.

Israel can't serve as an example as Jews had long tradition of separation from Gentiles. It served as a basis for common ground when creating Israel. No such thing exists in homosexual community at large, which can't be described as homogenous at all. I'm certain that gays in Western countries have much more in common with their straight counterparts in said countries rather than with gays in Iran or Vietnam.

And yet, within western nations, gay people tended to flock to certain areas that were relatively abandoned so they could become either majority or a sizeable minority, and feel relieved from prosecution.

If you want to be free of legal harassment and prosecution, one of the best ways is managing to be the one making the laws. Homosexuals are a very heterogeneous group of people, even within each nation, but all share a common political project: live free of the harassment of an homophobic stablishment.

 

[zert]

Isn't it the same with the United States? We have so many different cultures, languages, and differences that by your definition, any country with a large immigrant population wouldn't survive.

Anyways, I nominate the greater San Francisco Area, mostly because I like the climate. I really just need a
n excuse to move out there like establishing a gay state.

+1

Great retort and one I agree. Though I personally prefer the Monterey Peninsula.

 

[twovultures]

I imagine Castro Street or maybe DC's U Street neighborhood from 5 years ago seceding from the Union.

In U Street's case, Shaw can secede with them and we can have an Afro-American and Gay nation right next to each-other.

 

[zert]

I imagine Castro Street or maybe DC's U Street neighborhood from 5 years ago seceding from the Union.

In U Street's case, Shaw can secede with them and we can have an Afro-American and Gay nation right next to each-other.

And denpending on the political makeup of that neighborhood we might have either Allied nations or an Israel/Arab bloodbath in the making.